• FCS Playoffs. ( CAA. Is WEAK )

 #95348  by FUATT
 Mon Dec 09, 2024 2:18 pm
FUBeAR wrote:
Sun Dec 08, 2024 4:27 pm
The Jackal wrote:
Sun Dec 08, 2024 2:27 pm
Be the man you gotta beat the man.
…and “the man’s” ridiculously difficult for visiting FCS Teams’ venues - be it noise or weather - or both…and you gotta beat “the man’s” home-cookin’ from the Officials that does such things as ignoring 9 obvious fouls on 2 returns TD’s in 1 game and 4 obvious fouls on a return for TD in a subsequent game.

Man
Polar Weather
INORDINATE CROWD NOISE
Home-biased Officiating

Yep … gotta beat ALL of those. Seems fair.
Or, just beat Woofurd.

I know....
 #95362  by FUBeAR
 Mon Dec 09, 2024 5:07 pm
FUATT wrote:
Mon Dec 09, 2024 2:18 pm
FUBeAR wrote:
Sun Dec 08, 2024 4:27 pm
The Jackal wrote:
Sun Dec 08, 2024 2:27 pm
Be the man you gotta beat the man.
…and “the man’s” ridiculously difficult for visiting FCS Teams’ venues - be it noise or weather - or both…and you gotta beat “the man’s” home-cookin’ from the Officials that does such things as ignoring 9 obvious fouls on 2 returns TD’s in 1 game and 4 obvious fouls on a return for TD in a subsequent game.

Man
Polar Weather
INORDINATE CROWD NOISE
Home-biased Officiating

Yep … gotta beat ALL of those. Seems fair.
Or, just beat Woofurd.

I know....
Doubtful the #2 was a-comin’ even if … 3, 4, or even 5 was more likely. Committee would have had all sorts of good words to justify their FU the SoCon decision.

#3 went thru Missoula, MT (anyway) in the semis’s
#4 went thru Brookings, SD in the semi’s
#5 went thru Brookings, SD in the semi’s and probably Pocatello, IDin the Quarters.

#1 or #2 Seed are the ONLY ways!
 #95363  by Affirm
 Mon Dec 09, 2024 6:14 pm
FUBeAR wrote:
Mon Dec 09, 2024 5:07 pm
FUATT wrote:
Mon Dec 09, 2024 2:18 pm
FUBeAR wrote:
Sun Dec 08, 2024 4:27 pm
The Jackal wrote:
Sun Dec 08, 2024 2:27 pm
Be the man you gotta beat the man.
…and “the man’s” ridiculously difficult for visiting FCS Teams’ venues - be it noise or weather - or both…and you gotta beat “the man’s” home-cookin’ from the Officials that does such things as ignoring 9 obvious fouls on 2 returns TD’s in 1 game and 4 obvious fouls on a return for TD in a subsequent game.

Man
Polar Weather
INORDINATE CROWD NOISE
Home-biased Officiating

Yep … gotta beat ALL of those. Seems fair.
Or, just beat Woofurd.

I know....
Doubtful the #2 was a-comin’ even if … 3, 4, or even 5 was more likely. Committee would have had all sorts of good words to justify their FU the SoCon decision.

#3 went thru Missoula, MT (anyway) in the semis’s
#4 went thru Brookings, SD in the semi’s
#5 went thru Brookings, SD in the semi’s and probably Pocatello, IDin the Quarters.

#1 or #2 Seed are the ONLY ways!
Help please.
Please excuse my ignorance.
I really do try to understand, particularly if it's something that appears worth understanding.
    What does "the #2 a'comin'" mean?
      What does "even if … 3, 4, or even 5 was more likely" mean?
        What does "3 went through, #4 went through, #4 went through" mean?
          What is the reference to Pocatello, ID, about?
          And if "#1 or #2 Seed are the ONLY ways!" means being one of those is the way to win the FCS playoffs, then why not just skip the playoffs and have the championship game? Or if "#1 or #2 Seed are the ONLY ways!" means something else, what does it mean?
          I appreciate the typically good insights and information that FUBeAR shares, so I would like to benefit from those when possible.
          Last edited by Affirm on Mon Dec 09, 2024 6:22 pm, edited 1 time in total.
           #95364  by FUBeAR
           Mon Dec 09, 2024 6:19 pm
          Affirm wrote:
          Mon Dec 09, 2024 6:14 pm
          FUBeAR wrote:
          Mon Dec 09, 2024 5:07 pm
          FUATT wrote:
          Mon Dec 09, 2024 2:18 pm
          FUBeAR wrote:
          Sun Dec 08, 2024 4:27 pm
          The Jackal wrote:
          Sun Dec 08, 2024 2:27 pm
          Be the man you gotta beat the man.
          …and “the man’s” ridiculously difficult for visiting FCS Teams’ venues - be it noise or weather - or both…and you gotta beat “the man’s” home-cookin’ from the Officials that does such things as ignoring 9 obvious fouls on 2 returns TD’s in 1 game and 4 obvious fouls on a return for TD in a subsequent game.

          Man
          Polar Weather
          INORDINATE CROWD NOISE
          Home-biased Officiating

          Yep … gotta beat ALL of those. Seems fair.
          Or, just beat Woofurd.

          I know....
          Doubtful the #2 was a-comin’ even if … 3, 4, or even 5 was more likely. Committee would have had all sorts of good words to justify their FU the SoCon decision.

          #3 went thru Missoula, MT (anyway) in the semis’s
          #4 went thru Brookings, SD in the semi’s
          #5 went thru Brookings, SD in the semi’s and probably Pocatello, IDin the Quarters.

          #1 or #2 Seed are the ONLY ways!
          Help please.
          Please excuse my ignorance.
          I really do try to understand, particularly if it's something that appears worth understanding.
            What does "the #2 a'comin'" mean?
              What does "even if … 3, 4, or even 5 was more likely" mean?
                What does "3 went through, #4 went through, #4 went through" mean?
                  What is the reference to Pocatello, ID, about?
                  Referencing the Seeding FU would have rec’d in the Playoffs last year if we had not lost to Wofford.

                  Any non-Dakota / non-Montana school must be seeded 1st or 2nd to avoid going into their silly weather and / or silly noise environments in the Playoffs. They hold, IFBO, an unfair advantage because of those environments, which translates to wins in those Playoff games, which cycles back through Seeding the following year…and the cycle repeats.

                  So…it’s not only about being the better Team. They have big paws on the scales that give a big assist in maintaining the status quo in FCS Football. They are good, but we saw what 4th place in the SoCon was able to do with #2 NDSU earlier this season in Johnson City. Now Mercer has to go play them inside the housing of a jet engine running at max power when the Bears are on Offense and inside a Library in a monastery when the bizuns have it.
                  Last edited by FUBeAR on Mon Dec 09, 2024 6:26 pm, edited 1 time in total.
                   #95365  by Affirm
                   Mon Dec 09, 2024 6:24 pm
                  FUBeAR wrote:
                  Mon Dec 09, 2024 6:19 pm
                  Affirm wrote:
                  Mon Dec 09, 2024 6:14 pm
                  FUBeAR wrote:
                  Mon Dec 09, 2024 5:07 pm
                  FUATT wrote:
                  Mon Dec 09, 2024 2:18 pm
                  FUBeAR wrote:
                  Sun Dec 08, 2024 4:27 pm
                  The Jackal wrote:
                  Sun Dec 08, 2024 2:27 pm
                  Be the man you gotta beat the man.
                  …and “the man’s” ridiculously difficult for visiting FCS Teams’ venues - be it noise or weather - or both…and you gotta beat “the man’s” home-cookin’ from the Officials that does such things as ignoring 9 obvious fouls on 2 returns TD’s in 1 game and 4 obvious fouls on a return for TD in a subsequent game.

                  Man
                  Polar Weather
                  INORDINATE CROWD NOISE
                  Home-biased Officiating

                  Yep … gotta beat ALL of those. Seems fair.
                  Or, just beat Woofurd.

                  I know....
                  Doubtful the #2 was a-comin’ even if … 3, 4, or even 5 was more likely. Committee would have had all sorts of good words to justify their FU the SoCon decision.

                  #3 went thru Missoula, MT (anyway) in the semis’s
                  #4 went thru Brookings, SD in the semi’s
                  #5 went thru Brookings, SD in the semi’s and probably Pocatello, IDin the Quarters.

                  #1 or #2 Seed are the ONLY ways!
                  Help please.
                  Please excuse my ignorance.
                  I really do try to understand, particularly if it's something that appears worth understanding.
                    What does "the #2 a'comin'" mean?
                      What does "even if … 3, 4, or even 5 was more likely" mean?
                        What does "3 went through, #4 went through, #4 went through" mean?
                          What is the reference to Pocatello, ID, about?
                          Referencing the Seeding FU would have rec’d in the Playoffs last year if we had not lost to Wofford.

                          Any non-Dakota / non-Montana school must be seeded 1st or 2nd to avoid going into their silly weather and / or silly noise environments in the Playoffs. They hold, IFBO, an unfair advantage because of those environments, which translates to wins in those Playoff games, which cycles back through Seeding the following year…and the cycle repeats.

                          So…it’s not only about being the better Team. They have big paws on the scales that give a big assist in maintaining the status quo in FCS Football. They are good, but we saw what 4th place in the SoCon was able to do with #2 NDSU earlier this season in Johnson City. Now Mercer has to go play them inside the housing of a jet engine running at max power.
                          MANY THANKS!
                           #95371  by apaladin
                           Mon Dec 09, 2024 8:18 pm
                          ESPN did FCS no favors. They have Friday night and all day Saturday to play 4 games. What do they do? Schedule 2 of the games at the same time(3PM) opposite the Army/Navy game. Figures.
                           #95376  by FUBeAR
                           Mon Dec 09, 2024 8:59 pm
                          apaladin wrote:
                          Mon Dec 09, 2024 8:18 pm
                          ESPN did FCS no favors. They have Friday night and all day Saturday to play 4 games. What do they do? Schedule 2 of the games at the same time(3PM) opposite the Army/Navy game. Figures.
                          Not exactly...

                          Friday:
                          9 p.m. ET on ESPN: #8 Idaho at #1 Montana State

                          Saturday:
                          12 noon ET on ESPN: #6 UIW at #3 SDSU

                          12 noon ET on ABC: Jackson State vs. SC State

                          3 p.m. ET on ESPN+: #5 UC Davis at #4 USD

                          3:30 p.m. ET on ABC: #7 Mercer at #2 NDSU


                          4 FCS games on Primary National Broadcast Platforms - ESPN / ABC - none on ESPN2 or ESPNU

                          The UC Davis @ South Dakota game is the only one on streaming. It was originally scheduled for 4 PM ET, but since it's on ESPN+, think they were able to play it whenever USD chose, so they moved it to 3 PM.

                          Army Navy game does start at 3 PM on CBS.

                          All-in-all though - think this is the 1st time 3 quarterfinal games have been played on national over-the-air (more or less ... ESPN is cable, but...you know) broadcasts.

                          Only the Mercer @ NDSU game really overlaps the Army-Navy game in the non-streaming world. That's fine...who wants to watch a bunch of NIL-slathered FBS prima donnas when they could watch real intercollegiate student athletes ... oh wait. Well...anyway...it still doesn't suck. Could it be better...dunno...FUBeAR ain't no programming guru.
                           #95412  by Affirm
                           Tue Dec 10, 2024 9:38 pm
                          FUBeAR wrote:
                          Mon Dec 09, 2024 8:59 pm
                          apaladin wrote:
                          Mon Dec 09, 2024 8:18 pm
                          ESPN did FCS no favors. They have Friday night and all day Saturday to play 4 games. What do they do? Schedule 2 of the games at the same time(3PM) opposite the Army/Navy game. Figures.
                          Not exactly...

                          Friday:
                          9 p.m. ET on ESPN: #8 Idaho at #1 Montana State

                          Saturday:
                          12 noon ET on ESPN: #6 UIW at #3 SDSU

                          12 noon ET on ABC: Jackson State vs. SC State

                          3 p.m. ET on ESPN+: #5 UC Davis at #4 USD

                          3:30 p.m. ET on ABC: #7 Mercer at #2 NDSU


                          4 FCS games on Primary National Broadcast Platforms - ESPN / ABC - none on ESPN2 or ESPNU

                          The UC Davis @ South Dakota game is the only one on streaming. It was originally scheduled for 4 PM ET, but since it's on ESPN+, think they were able to play it whenever USD chose, so they moved it to 3 PM.

                          Army Navy game does start at 3 PM on CBS.

                          All-in-all though - think this is the 1st time 3 quarterfinal games have been played on national over-the-air (more or less ... ESPN is cable, but...you know) broadcasts.

                          Only the Mercer @ NDSU game really overlaps the Army-Navy game in the non-streaming world. That's fine...who wants to watch a bunch of NIL-slathered FBS prima donnas when they could watch real intercollegiate student athletes ... oh wait. Well...anyway...it still doesn't suck. Could it be better...dunno...FUBeAR ain't no programming guru.
                          Probably naive, but I still ask:
                          Do Midshipmen and Cadets (or whatever their mascot name are) qualify to receive NIL? How's it going for those?
                           #95413  by FUBeAR
                           Tue Dec 10, 2024 9:53 pm
                          Affirm wrote:
                          Tue Dec 10, 2024 9:38 pm
                          FUBeAR wrote:
                          Mon Dec 09, 2024 8:59 pm
                          apaladin wrote:
                          Mon Dec 09, 2024 8:18 pm
                          ESPN did FCS no favors. They have Friday night and all day Saturday to play 4 games. What do they do? Schedule 2 of the games at the same time(3PM) opposite the Army/Navy game. Figures.
                          Not exactly...

                          Friday:
                          9 p.m. ET on ESPN: #8 Idaho at #1 Montana State

                          Saturday:
                          12 noon ET on ESPN: #6 UIW at #3 SDSU

                          12 noon ET on ABC: Jackson State vs. SC State

                          3 p.m. ET on ESPN+: #5 UC Davis at #4 USD

                          3:30 p.m. ET on ABC: #7 Mercer at #2 NDSU


                          4 FCS games on Primary National Broadcast Platforms - ESPN / ABC - none on ESPN2 or ESPNU

                          The UC Davis @ South Dakota game is the only one on streaming. It was originally scheduled for 4 PM ET, but since it's on ESPN+, think they were able to play it whenever USD chose, so they moved it to 3 PM.

                          Army Navy game does start at 3 PM on CBS.

                          All-in-all though - think this is the 1st time 3 quarterfinal games have been played on national over-the-air (more or less ... ESPN is cable, but...you know) broadcasts.

                          Only the Mercer @ NDSU game really overlaps the Army-Navy game in the non-streaming world. That's fine...who wants to watch a bunch of NIL-slathered FBS prima donnas when they could watch real intercollegiate student athletes ... oh wait. Well...anyway...it still doesn't suck. Could it be better...dunno...FUBeAR ain't no programming guru.
                          Probably naive, but I still ask:
                          Do Midshipmen and Cadets (or whatever their mascot name are) qualify to receive NIL? How's it going for those?
                          Unlike all other college athletes, those at service academies are classified as employees of their respective military branches, meaning they are subject to the federal law prohibiting military members from using public office for private gain (such as making money by marketing potato chips or a local pizza shop). The government pays tuition and additional expenses for all service academy students, athlete or otherwise. They also receive monthly stipends.

                          https://www.stripes.com/sports/2023-11- ... 25543.html
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                           #95416  by apaladin
                           Tue Dec 10, 2024 11:51 pm
                          Regardless of network 2 FCS games were scheduled the same time as Army/Navy. So my statement is correct. SCS/JSU doesn’t count as it is not a playoff game of course. There were plenty of time slots with no games.
                           #95433  by Stumpy
                           Wed Dec 11, 2024 2:33 pm
                          Thanks to Affirm and FB for the question/answer regarding the service academies. I've wondered about that myself.
                           #95445  by FurmAlum
                           Wed Dec 11, 2024 10:15 pm
                          FUBeAR wrote:
                          Tue Dec 10, 2024 9:53 pm
                          Affirm wrote:
                          Tue Dec 10, 2024 9:38 pm
                          FUBeAR wrote:
                          Mon Dec 09, 2024 8:59 pm
                          apaladin wrote:
                          Mon Dec 09, 2024 8:18 pm
                          ESPN did FCS no favors. They have Friday night and all day Saturday to play 4 games. What do they do? Schedule 2 of the games at the same time(3PM) opposite the Army/Navy game. Figures.
                          Not exactly...

                          Friday:
                          9 p.m. ET on ESPN: #8 Idaho at #1 Montana State

                          Saturday:
                          12 noon ET on ESPN: #6 UIW at #3 SDSU

                          12 noon ET on ABC: Jackson State vs. SC State

                          3 p.m. ET on ESPN+: #5 UC Davis at #4 USD

                          3:30 p.m. ET on ABC: #7 Mercer at #2 NDSU


                          4 FCS games on Primary National Broadcast Platforms - ESPN / ABC - none on ESPN2 or ESPNU

                          The UC Davis @ South Dakota game is the only one on streaming. It was originally scheduled for 4 PM ET, but since it's on ESPN+, think they were able to play it whenever USD chose, so they moved it to 3 PM.

                          Army Navy game does start at 3 PM on CBS.

                          All-in-all though - think this is the 1st time 3 quarterfinal games have been played on national over-the-air (more or less ... ESPN is cable, but...you know) broadcasts.

                          Only the Mercer @ NDSU game really overlaps the Army-Navy game in the non-streaming world. That's fine...who wants to watch a bunch of NIL-slathered FBS prima donnas when they could watch real intercollegiate student athletes ... oh wait. Well...anyway...it still doesn't suck. Could it be better...dunno...FUBeAR ain't no programming guru.
                          Probably naive, but I still ask:
                          Do Midshipmen and Cadets (or whatever their mascot name are) qualify to receive NIL? How's it going for those?
                          Unlike all other college athletes, those at service academies are classified as employees of their respective military branches, meaning they are subject to the federal law prohibiting military members from using public office for private gain (such as making money by marketing potato chips or a local pizza shop). The government pays tuition and additional expenses for all service academy students, athlete or otherwise. They also receive monthly stipends.

                          https://www.stripes.com/sports/2023-11- ... 25543.html
                          If the NCAA had the foresight and the balls to implement a model of something similar to the service academy way of doing things 10-15 years ago, maybe college sports wouldn't be in the mess it is in today.
                           #95492  by apaladin
                           Fri Dec 13, 2024 1:42 pm
                          The Idaho at Montana St game tonight is the time slot we had last year. Hard to believe it’s already been a year. Time sure is flying. :cry:
                           #95574  by apaladin
                           Sat Dec 14, 2024 11:55 pm
                          Not a great weekend of FCS football. Closest game was 14 points. As usual, the Dakotas and Montana are left to fight it out.
                           #95575  by gofurman
                           Sun Dec 15, 2024 12:41 am
                          The Jackal wrote:
                          Sun Dec 08, 2024 2:27 pm
                          Be the man you gotta beat the man.
                          I’ve never quite agreed with this sentiment. I’ve seen too MANY years of March madness etc where a path clears and the supposed unbeatable team is gone and you never have to play them …. Say when Furman beat UVA in the NCAA tournament allowing SDSU to CRUSH US. and man did they CRUSH US. It’s just one example. But many times you never have to play the man.

                          Another example. 2015. March madness etc where UK was 38-0 !!! Unbeatable. Unstoppable - dumb UK fans had already gotten tattoos on themselves saying 40 - 0. Hah. Wisconsin beat them. Duke then beat Wisconsin for the national title never having played “the man”

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