AP Poll, Coaches Poll, Mid Major Poll

[gman]

Wofford up 50-41 over 17 Miss St at half. Woffy 9-12 from 3.....

Who are we rooting for? I can make the argument either way.

Unless it helps us, we never root for the little under porch dwelling ankle biters.

I don’t like Woffy either, but a win but a SoCon member over a Top 25 power conference team is always a good thing. I was pulling for the ankle biters.

[fufanatic]

Wofford up 50-41 over 17 Miss St at half. Woffy 9-12 from 3.....

Who are we rooting for? I can make the argument either way.

Unless it helps us, we never root for the little under porch dwelling ankle biters.

I don’t like Woffy either, but a win but a SoCon member over a Top 25 power conference team is always a good thing. I was pulling for the ankle biters.

I agree. For there ever to be a case for an at-large bid besides someone going 31-1, we need SoCon teams to step in non-conference games and also in the tournament. Whoever makes it this year needs at least one win. It's been since Davidson I believe. Not good.

[CharlieFU]

And NET is being used instead of RPI as I understand it. Read an article on this new NET; the main gist is that every ranking system has its own strengths and weaknesses. It’s just one tool

The NCAA's computer metric is irrelevant to mid-majors - they excluded mid-majors despite being very high in RPI and would do the same with NET. It might settle a few arguments over middling power conference teams.

Offcially it is not irrelevant. Now, in reality, maybe they will not give it the weight it may deserve. And, as you can see in my post, it is but a tool in the overall analysis--some may give it more or less weight than others do.

[youwouldno]

And NET is being used instead of RPI as I understand it. Read an article on this new NET; the main gist is that every ranking system has its own strengths and weaknesses. It’s just one tool

The NCAA's computer metric is irrelevant to mid-majors - they excluded mid-majors despite being very high in RPI and would do the same with NET. It might settle a few arguments over middling power conference teams.

Offcially it is not irrelevant. Now, in reality, maybe they will not give it the weight it may deserve. And, as you can see in my post, it is but a tool in the overall analysis--some may give it more or less weight than others do.

The point isn't about any one tool, it's that regardless of the available metrics, the NCAA will almost always exclude mid-majors from at-large consideration. The "mid-major" teams that have gotten at-large bids usually weren't really mid-major programs anyway, like Wichita State, Butler, etc.

There is no way that the SoCon can become strong enough to earn at-large consideration on any kind of regular basis. St. Marys was excluded despite the WCC being highly-rated, to relate an earlier example.

The mid-major conferences should be much more aggressive in advancing their own interests. That's the only way for SoCon teams to get into the at-large picture.

[CharlieFU]

And NET is being used instead of RPI as I understand it. Read an article on this new NET; the main gist is that every ranking system has its own strengths and weaknesses. It’s just one tool

The NCAA's computer metric is irrelevant to mid-majors - they excluded mid-majors despite being very high in RPI and would do the same with NET. It might settle a few arguments over middling power conference teams.

Offcially it is not irrelevant. Now, in reality, maybe they will not give it the weight it may deserve. And, as you can see in my post, it is but a tool in the overall analysis--some may give it more or less weight than others do.

The point isn't about any one tool, it's that regardless of the available metrics, the NCAA will almost always exclude mid-majors from at-large consideration. The "mid-major" teams that have gotten at-large bids usually weren't really mid-major programs anyway, like Wichita State, Butler, etc.

There is no way that the SoCon can become strong enough to earn at-large consideration on any kind of regular basis. St. Marys was excluded despite the WCC being highly-rated, to relate an earlier example.

The mid-major conferences should be much more aggressive in advancing their own interests. That's the only way for SoCon teams to get into the at-large picture.

Not to be particular, but.... MY point was simply to say (1) we now have this new thing--NET rankings and (2) it is not any more perfect than than others--and is but ONE TOOL to measure teams by. That was MY POINT.

YOUR POINT, which i agree with by the way, is that mid majors are not getting the credit they are due under any measure of success.

I will leave to you and others on how to fix (certainly a better OOC record/schedule is ONE way to help)

[gofurman]

Anyone have the latest AP w ORV? All I get is the top 25 but no ORV section

[apaladin]

We went from 208 votes last week to 2 votes this week.

[FU03times]

We went from 208 votes last week to 2 votes this week.

And they’re back to sleeping on us...we’ll see them in March

[DungeonRealm]

Coaches Poll (9 votes):
http://sportspolls.usatoday.com/ncaa/ba ... ches-poll/

Mid-Major Poll (ranked #3):
http://www.collegeinsider.com/mens-mid-major-top-25.php

[apaladin]

Fell 9 places to #34 in the coaches poll and stayed at #3 in the mid-major. Much better than the AP plunge.

[Flagman]

It was a good ride. We all enjoyed it. Now, it's time to get down to business. Pre-season is over. The season begins Saturday in Johnson City. If we make it to March madness, it'll happen because we are the best in the SoCon. We never worried about polls before. They never meant much to any mid-major. Conference tournament performance is all that will matter.

[DungeonRealm]

Still getting votes in the Top 25 coaches poll:

http://sportspolls.usatoday.com/ncaa/ba ... ches-poll/

[PaladinPower]

I am very interested to see which coach(es) are voting for us in the poll. After looking at the names on the panel, maybe it is Mike Young from WC?!

[PaladinPower]

This week’s coaches poll shows 9 votes for FU and 1 vote for WC. It seems Furman has gained more votes while on a two game losing skid. Does anyone know if there is access to each coaches’ poll?

[DungeonRealm]

This week’s coaches poll shows 9 votes for FU and 1 vote for WC. It seems Furman has gained more votes while on a two game losing skid. Does anyone know if there is access to each coaches’ poll?

This may be due to not only almost winning AT Wofford (2 point lead with 1 min. left)(all 4 losses for FU on the road to good teams), but also due to how well Villanova, Loyola and LSU are doing in the Big East, MVC and SEC

Can't find access to each coaches ballot however