Playoff projections

[apaladin]

It is points allowed among the teams tied, not the whole conference.
https://static.soconsports.com/custompa ... otball.pdf

[FUBeAR]

You guys are math wizzies. So I guess for reputation purposes we want chatty winning but giving up some points in high scoring games. Still need a Sammy loss and FU winning out. If we were AQ we would have better chance at a first round bye. Sometimes that’s good. Sometimes not good to break the rhythm.

No…ALWAYS very good to have 1st round bye and 2nd round home game. Can’t quote the exact stat, but the seeded Teams win…oh…prolly…90% of those games.

The structure is screwed and ridiculous. WAY, WAY, WAY too much reward for subjectively seeded Teams. A week off and a home game while your opponent has had to scrap in the 1st round, which also may have been on the road, and then travel again..often to horrible weather situations (FU to Mont. State for example).

But…that’s the structure…and if you are fortunate enough to get a seed, you ought to take advantage of it and get to the Quarterfinals.

[FUBeAR]

It is points allowed among the teams tied, not the whole conference.
https://static.soconsports.com/custompa ... otball.pdf

See why you’re saying that, but…

“If the tie is still not broken, the team with the fewest points allowed among the tied teams”

…FUBeAR thinks you’re reading more into that sentence than is actually there. It doesn’t say “points allowed to the tied teams among the tied teams”

As ‘proof’ … Mercer, @ 4-4, was not involved in the tie-breaker as a tied Team in 2018, but the points the Paladins yielded to the Bears kept Furman from getting the AQ.

[The Jackal]

It is points allowed among the teams tied, not the whole conference.
https://static.soconsports.com/custompa ... otball.pdf

It can be read either way.

Again, they applied the rule in 2018. Whatever they did there is likely how the SoCon interpreted it.

[The Jackal]

It is points allowed among the teams tied, not the whole conference.
https://static.soconsports.com/custompa ... otball.pdf

See why you’re saying that, but…

“If the tie is still not broken, the team with the fewest points allowed among the tied teams”

…FUBeAR thinks you’re reading more into that sentence than is actually there. It doesn’t say “points allowed to the tied teams among the tied teams”

As ‘proof’ … Mercer, @ 4-4, was not involved in the tie-breaker as a tied Team in 2018, but the points the Paladins yielded to the Bears kept Furman from getting the AQ.

My recollection is to win the Auto bid Furman had to beat Mercer and hold them to fewer than, I think, 11 points.

They did the former, just not the latter.

[apaladin]

Just another example of the poor leadership of the SoCon,. You could also say it means all games the tied teams played. Easy fix but apparentky not for the SoCon. It SHOULD be for games between the tied teams only.

[FUBeAR]

Just another example of the poor leadership of the SoCon,. You could also say it means all games the tied teams played. Easy fix but apparentky not for the SoCon. It SHOULD be for games between the tied teams only.

Oh, it’s a horribly, horribly written and unbelievably ambiguous sentence.

“If the tie is still not broken, the team with the fewest points allowed among the tied teams”

It could mean…

A) …fewest points allowed among the tied teams [in games played between the tied teams] - as you interpreted it…OR…
B)…fewest points allowed among the tied teams [in all conference games played] - as the GreenvilleOnline article states that it was and we recall it being applied in 2018…OR…
C)…fewest points allowed among the tied teams [in all games played] - which would make no sense, but precisely because it doesn’t make sense would lead us to believe that’s the way the SoCon would do it.

…and what if we had “no contest” games, as we did in the Spring of 2021? The tiebreaker rule should be fewest average points per game allowed among the tied teams [A or B above].

It’s really, really bad. The SoCon should rewrite it NOW, removing the ambiguity and allowing for an unequal amount of games played, and publish it on the website and on all their social media. They should do that this week - certainly no later than before the next to last week of conference games are played.

As far as your assertion that it SHOULD BE fewest points allowed only in games between the tied Teams, dunno…when using a stat like that, prefer a larger, but still ‘equitable’ sample size. Let’s say Team A and Team B are tied and when they played, Team A destroyed Team B. A was leading 77-0 at halftime. So…Team A did the right thing and pulled their Starters. Team B scored 5 TD’s on Team A’s backups and the final score was 84-35. Never close enough for Team A to even think about reinserting their Starters, but a KILLER for them vs. Team C (who lost to Team B 7-3) in a Tiebreaker with, most likely, a 2 game sample size. Less fatal with an 8 game sample size…right?

[Paul C]

Should be point differential in the games between the tied teams

[AstroDin]

Had to drive to Charlotte yesterday– used the drive time to catch up on some FCS podcasts.
I was glad to hear Jamie Williams of FCS Fans Nation rank Furman #10. He has some interesting takes on playoff resumes.

Furman right now has two wins against at the time played top 20 FCS teams-ETSU and Chatty.
Furman's Massey ranking is 13, and SOS is 36 - I guess we're getting knocked for playing NGU.
Still, Furman's is better than Holy Cross (69), Incarnate Word (46), CAA schools W&M (54), and Richmond (48).

If Furman wins out, we're in if we split with Mercer and Wofford. I think it all depends on Samford.
If Samford beats Mercer and Chatty (a tall order), that helps Furman if it comes down to Furman or Nooga.
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/f ... 0584864423

[apaladin]

If it comes down to FU and UTC wouldn’t head to head trump everything else?

[Bootie]

If Furman wins out, we're in if we split with Mercer and Wofford.

I need help with this statement.

[The Jackal]

If it comes down to FU and UTC wouldn’t head to head trump everything else?

Furman will win the head to head tie breaker with UTC.

Furman may not win that tie breaker if there's a three way tie with UTC and Furman.

[AstroDin]

If Furman wins out, we're in if we split with Mercer and Wofford.

I need help with this statement.

LOL, I ran that sentence together…

[apaladin]

If it comes down to FU and UTC wouldn’t head to head trump everything else?

Furman will win the head to head tie breaker with UTC.

Furman may not win that tie breaker if there's a three way tie with UTC and Furman.

In your scenario Sammy would win the league and auto bid. There would be no tie-breaker for second place. Just a 3 way tie for second. Correct?

[FUBeAR]

Is this correct?

IF…
Furman beats Mercer and loses to Woffy (Heaven forbid!)…AND…
Mercer beats Samford…AND…
Chattanooga beats Samford AND loses to WCU…
…THEN…
all 4 Teams would be tied at 6-2.
All 4 would be SoCon Champions…AND…
…the AQ bid would go to …Furman.

BECAUSE…
Record against other tied Teams is the 1st tiebreaker.
Samford and Mercer would both be 1-2…while…
Chattanooga and Furman would be 2-1, eliminating Samford and Mercer from the tie..
…THEN…
Tiebreaker ‘goes back’ to head-to-head…AND
…Furman beat Chattanooga.