AD Donnelly on Zoom

[Furmanoid]

Appreciate the history lesson.

Now for some Econ. FCS school athletic depts. non bcs) are not exactly flushed with cash. Therefore they tend to play other teams within driving distance to save money on flights. That makes the payday from bcs teams more substantial. Quick geography lesson, many SEC and ACC teams are located within a bus ride distance.

Revenue minus expenses equals profit.

Not sure why Furman would be interested economically speaking.in chartering a plane to play Stanford.

The schools mentioned, which are like Furman in more ways than most other FCS schools, including being “not exactly flushed with cash”, included Richmond, Colgate, Lafayette. None of those are within bus distance of Air Force, Stanford, Michigan State, Colorado, but they do have such schools scheduled.
Why can Furman not go beyond ACC and SEC occasionally?
(Which, I say again, it is great to play any ACC and SEC team; just go beyond those sometimes. I did enjoy being at the FU-Michigan State game 3-4 years ago. I’d love to go see FU play football at Stanford, Cal, Washington State, Utah, Colorado, Michigan, Purdue, Penn State, Indiana, Wisconsin, Kansas, Oklahoma, Texas Tech, West Virginia, etc.)
You lecture on economics, but I say that if football for FU were strictly based on only economics we would probably not be playing football at all, or we would be Pioneer Football League or D2 or D3.
There is much more that comes from playing a famous school like Stanford or Colorado or Army or Air Force (or even from playing FCS famous schools like Harvard or Yale or Columbia or Penn or Georgetown; or slightly less famous non-BCS like SMU or Rice or Tulane) than just the dollars coming directly into and the dollars going directly out of the football program.

I kinda sorta agree but I’m not so sure the Tulane’s and Rice’s will be up for it if we improve much. Cincinnati might be a fun target. I think the best strategy would be to snooker some Big 10 teams into games. There are only 3 or 4 teams in that conference that are really very good. If you sneak up and beat Purdue or Illinois it will be played up as a huge deal even though it really isn’t as big as it sounds. We might be the favorite against Maryland or Rutgers.

[Affirm]

Appreciate the history lesson.

Now for some Econ. FCS school athletic depts. non bcs) are not exactly flushed with cash. Therefore they tend to play other teams within driving distance to save money on flights. That makes the payday from bcs teams more substantial. Quick geography lesson, many SEC and ACC teams are located within a bus ride distance.

Revenue minus expenses equals profit.

Not sure why Furman would be interested economically speaking.in chartering a plane to play Stanford.

The schools mentioned, which are like Furman in more ways than most other FCS schools, including being “not exactly flushed with cash”, included Richmond, Colgate, Lafayette. None of those are within bus distance of Air Force, Stanford, Michigan State, Colorado, but they do have such schools scheduled.
Why can Furman not go beyond ACC and SEC occasionally?
(Which, I say again, it is great to play any ACC and SEC team; just go beyond those sometimes. I did enjoy being at the FU-Michigan State game 3-4 years ago. I’d love to go see FU play football at Stanford, Cal, Washington State, Utah, Colorado, Michigan, Purdue, Penn State, Indiana, Wisconsin, Kansas, Oklahoma, Texas Tech, West Virginia, etc.)
You lecture on economics, but I say that if football for FU were strictly based on only economics we would probably not be playing football at all, or we would be Pioneer Football League or D2 or D3.
There is much more that comes from playing a famous school like Stanford or Colorado or Army or Air Force (or even from playing FCS famous schools like Harvard or Yale or Columbia or Penn or Georgetown; or slightly less famous non-BCS like SMU or Rice or Tulane) than just the dollars coming directly into and the dollars going directly out of the football program.

I kinda sorta agree but I’m not so sure the Tulane’s and Rice’s will be up for it if we improve much. Cincinnati might be a fun target. I think the best strategy would be to snooker some Big 10 teams into games. There are only 3 or 4 teams in that conference that are really very good. If you sneak up and beat Purdue or Illinois it will be played up as a huge deal even though it really isn’t as big as it sounds. We might be the favorite against Maryland or Rutgers.

“...kinda sorta agree ...” is good enough for me

[Affirm]

That’s a heap a readin. It’s good readin. But I haven’t red that many readin words since I red a rose for Emily in Willard pates English 11 class in 1977.

Affirm, there is no such thing as BCS schools(FBS) but we know what you mean. I would like to ask if he is going to be able to reschedule the Tennessee game and how is he doing filling holes in the 2022, 2023, 2024 and 2025 football schedules? Thanks

Well, apaladin, thank you for pointing out that my terminology was not precisely correct, and thank you for saying that you nevertheless knew what I meant. I feel that I SHOULD know what is correct, so I thank you for prompting me to find the information below online, which I have read for my information and also provide here for the few other UFFP members who, like me, may be behind in being fully certain of the correct designations, which seem to have changed more than once over time.

And, by the way, I am glad you mentioned the questions you would ask that would be somewhat related to mine; HOWEVER, MY SUGGESTION OF PLAYING "BEYOND ACC & SEC SCHOOLS" STANDS.

You mentioned the UT game. Yeah, would like to play them. Lot's closer than all of the other SEC schools except UofSC and UGA. But we already play 2 other Tennessee schools each and every year, and my suggestion has to do with playing teams in other parts of the country where we seldom go and have seldom been for football.

Also, if we beat a not-good SEC or not-good ACC team, people in our area (and other places) probably don't notice much because people in our area (and other places) know when those are bad teams; when we lose to them, people in our area (and other places), if they notice, probably say, "anyone can beat that SEC team", or "... that ACC team...", they are so bad". If we just play a non-ACC or non-SEC, we probably get "more credit" win or lose as far as local publicity is concerned, because a lot of people locally have heard of the school but have not kept up with how good or not good they currently are in football and assume they are probably good .

So, Flag Man, I will appreciate it if you would ask my question as well as apaladin's question. (Oh, I see it's already in the past! Hopefully, you or someone will report.)

The Power Five conferences make up five of the ten conferences in FBS; the other FBS conferences are informally known as the Group of Five (American Athletic Conference (the American or AAC), Conference USA, Mid-American Conference (MAC), Mountain West Conference, and the Sun Belt Conference).[3] The FBS consists of the Power Five, the Group of Five, and a small number of independent schools (among those schools long-time independents Army and Notre Dame, along with other schools that typically stay independent for a few years before moving to a conference).[/u] Prior to the establishment of the College Football Playoff in 2014, the Power Five conferences, as well as the old Big East Conference, were called Automatic Qualifying (AQ) conferences, because the champion of each conference received an automatic berth in one of the five Bowl Championship Series (BCS) bowl games. The final college football season for which the BCS was in effect was the 2013 season. With the split of the old Big East in 2013, there are now five power conferences.

...
Current conferences and teams
[There are] ... ten current FBS conferences listed below. For the Power Five, the member universities of each conference are ... [below].

Power Five
Conferences and member universities
ACC Big Ten Big 12 Pac-12 SEC
Boston College Illinois Baylor Arizona Alabama
Clemson Indiana Iowa State Arizona State Arkansas
Duke Iowa Kansas California Auburn
Florida State Maryland Kansas State UCLA Florida
Georgia Tech Michigan Oklahoma Colorado Georgia
Louisville Michigan State Oklahoma State Oregon Kentucky
Miami Minnesota TCU Oregon State LSU
North Carolina Nebraska Texas USC Ole Miss
NC State Northwestern Texas Tech Stanford Mississippi State
Pittsburgh Ohio State West Virginia Utah Missouri
Syracuse Penn State Washington South Carolina
Virginia Purdue Washington State Tennessee
Virginia Tech Rutgers Texas A&M
Wake Forest Wisconsin Vanderbilt
Notre Dame*
* The University of Notre Dame is full voting member of the ACC, and although its football team does not participate in ACC football and competes as a football independent, it is obligated to play an average of five football games a year against ACC opponents.[5] In 2020, during the COVID-19 pandemic, Notre Dame entered into a full ACC football schedule and was eligible for the conference's championship.[6] Notre Dame fields 24 other varsity sports that compete in the ACC, as well as men's ice hockey which competes in the Big Ten Conference.

Group of Five
Conferences
American Athletic Conference
Conference USA
Mid-American Conference
Mountain West Conference
Sun Belt Conference
...
Under the College Football Playoff system
With the establishment of the College Football Playoff in 2014, the term "automatic qualifying conference" is no longer in use, as the Bowl Championship Series (BCS) has been discontinued. However, five of the six former AQ conferences are now known as the "Power Five conferences": the Big Ten Conference, the Big 12 Conference, the Atlantic Coast Conference (ACC), the Pac-12 Conference, and the Southeastern Conference (SEC). The sixth AQ conference, the Big East, was split up during the 2010–2014 NCAA conference realignment, with five members joining P5 conferences, Notre Dame establishing a relationship with the ACC, the remaining non-football members forming the new Big East Conference, and the remaining members forming the American Athletic Conference. It is unknown where the term "Power Five Conference" originated from; it is not officially documented anywhere by the NCAA.

The American, as well as Conference USA (C-USA), the Mid-American Conference (MAC), the Mountain West Conference (MW), and the Sun Belt Conference are known as the "Group of Five" (sometimes called the G5).

The FBS also has seven independent schools as of the current 2020 season: Notre Dame, Army, BYU, Liberty, New Mexico State, UConn, and UMass. Notre Dame is currently considered equal to the Power Five schools, being a full (with the exception of football) member of the ACC with an annual five-game football scheduling agreement with that conference; ... All Power Five leagues that require their members to schedule at least one Power Five team in nonconference play (currently the ACC, Big Ten, Big 12, SEC, and Pac-12) consider Notre Dame to be a Power Five opponent for such purposes. The ACC, Big Ten, and SEC also count BYU as a Power Five opponent for scheduling purposes, and the Big Ten and SEC count Army as well.[7][8][9]

Teams from the Power Five and the Group of Five play each other during the season, and sometimes also play against FCS teams. However, many coaches of Power Five schools have argued that Power Five schools should only be allowed to schedule games against other Power Five schools[/b].[3] ...Some Power Five conferences, including the Big Ten and SEC, require their teams to play at least one non-conference P5 opponent each season.[9][8]
....
Each conference champion from the Power Five and the highest-ranked Group of Five conference champion is guaranteed a spot in a New Year's Six Bowl.[11] Every year, a non-Power Five team is guaranteed one bid to the New Year's Six bowls; however, so far no additional bids beyond that one have been granted.
....
March Madness CBS, Turner $8.8bn ($1.1bn)
College Football Playoff ESPN $5.6bn ($470m)
Pac-12 Conference (Pac-12) Fox, ESPN $3.0bn ($250m)
Big Ten Conference (Big Ten) Fox, ESPN $2.6bn ($440m) [12]
Big 12 Conference (Big 12) Fox, ESPN $2.6bn ($200m)
Southeastern Conference (SEC) ESPN, CBS $2.25bn[13] ($55m)[note 1]
Atlantic Coast Conference (ACC) ESPN $1.86bn ($155m)[14]
Realignment since the 1990s
The FBS has undergone several waves of realignment since the 1990s, when the Bowl Coalition was established. ......
Under the BCS system
From 1998 to 2013, the top teams in Division I FBS played in the BCS. ... The BCS succeeded two other systems that were put in place after the 1991 season in order to ensure that one national champion could be crowned at the end of the season. The original Bowl Coalition consisted of the SEC, the Big Eight Conference (later succeeded by the Big 12), the Southwest Conference (SWC), the ACC, the Big East, and Notre Dame. The BCS added the Pac-10 (now known as the Pac-12) and the Big Ten, while the SWC dissolved in 1996. In 2013, the Big East split into two conferences, and its successor, the American Athletic Conference (The American), took the Big East's place for the 2013 season.

In addition to creating a national championship game, the BCS also created a set format for other major bowls. After the two top teams in the BCS rankings were matched up in the BCS National Championship Game, the other three or (after the 2005 season) four bowls selected other top teams. The term "BCS conference" was used by many fans to refer to one of the six conferences whose champions received an automatic berth in one of the five BCS bowl games, although BCS itself used the term "automatic qualifying conference" (AQ conference).[17] While the number of AQ conferences was technically variable,[18] the BCS always had six AQ conferences since its inception in 1998. The Mountain West Conference (MW) was perhaps the closest of the other conferences to getting AQ status, but its request for AQ status was denied in 2012.[19] Each of the bowls had a historic link with one or more of the six BCS conferences with the exception of the former Big East, and the bowl games selected a team from each of these conferences if it was eligible for a BCS bowl and not playing in the national title game. The conferences included in this group, with their traditional bowl links, were:

Big East Conference (The American in 2013) (not tied to any specific BCS bowl)
Atlantic Coast Conference (Orange Bowl)
Big 12 Conference (Fiesta Bowl)
Big Ten Conference (Rose Bowl)
Pac-12 Conference (Rose Bowl)
Southeastern Conference (Sugar Bowl)
Notre Dame is an independent in football, but was a founding member[20] of the BCS.[21] Because of the "Notre Dame rule", it had guaranteed access to the BCS bowls when it met certain defined performance criteria.[22]

Affirm, you might have a little too much time on your hands. But thanks, that was good info. Just a lot of it. With my challenged reading skills it took me 8 hours to read it.

Not too much time on hands, just not enough discipline yet to shake this UFFP addiction. I will work on that.

[Flagman]

That’s a heap a readin. It’s good readin. But I haven’t red that many readin words since I red a rose for Emily in Willard pates English 11 class in 1977.

Affirm, there is no such thing as BCS schools(FBS) but we know what you mean. I would like to ask if he is going to be able to reschedule the Tennessee game and how is he doing filling holes in the 2022, 2023, 2024 and 2025 football schedules? Thanks

Well, apaladin, thank you for pointing out that my terminology was not precisely correct, and thank you for saying that you nevertheless knew what I meant. I feel that I SHOULD know what is correct, so I thank you for prompting me to find the information below online, which I have read for my information and also provide here for the few other UFFP members who, like me, may be behind in being fully certain of the correct designations, which seem to have changed more than once over time.

And, by the way, I am glad you mentioned the questions you would ask that would be somewhat related to mine; HOWEVER, MY SUGGESTION OF PLAYING "BEYOND ACC & SEC SCHOOLS" STANDS.

You mentioned the UT game. Yeah, would like to play them. Lot's closer than all of the other SEC schools except UofSC and UGA. But we already play 2 other Tennessee schools each and every year, and my suggestion has to do with playing teams in other parts of the country where we seldom go and have seldom been for football.

Also, if we beat a not-good SEC or not-good ACC team, people in our area (and other places) probably don't notice much because people in our area (and other places) know when those are bad teams; when we lose to them, people in our area (and other places), if they notice, probably say, "anyone can beat that SEC team", or "... that ACC team...", they are so bad". If we just play a non-ACC or non-SEC, we probably get "more credit" win or lose as far as local publicity is concerned, because a lot of people locally have heard of the school but have not kept up with how good or not good they currently are in football and assume they are probably good .

So, Flag Man, I will appreciate it if you would ask my question as well as apaladin's question. (Oh, I see it's already in the past! Hopefully, you or someone will report.)

The Power Five conferences make up five of the ten conferences in FBS; the other FBS conferences are informally known as the Group of Five (American Athletic Conference (the American or AAC), Conference USA, Mid-American Conference (MAC), Mountain West Conference, and the Sun Belt Conference).[3] The FBS consists of the Power Five, the Group of Five, and a small number of independent schools (among those schools long-time independents Army and Notre Dame, along with other schools that typically stay independent for a few years before moving to a conference).[/u] Prior to the establishment of the College Football Playoff in 2014, the Power Five conferences, as well as the old Big East Conference, were called Automatic Qualifying (AQ) conferences, because the champion of each conference received an automatic berth in one of the five Bowl Championship Series (BCS) bowl games. The final college football season for which the BCS was in effect was the 2013 season. With the split of the old Big East in 2013, there are now five power conferences.

...
Current conferences and teams
[There are] ... ten current FBS conferences listed below. For the Power Five, the member universities of each conference are ... [below].

Power Five
Conferences and member universities
ACC Big Ten Big 12 Pac-12 SEC
Boston College Illinois Baylor Arizona Alabama
Clemson Indiana Iowa State Arizona State Arkansas
Duke Iowa Kansas California Auburn
Florida State Maryland Kansas State UCLA Florida
Georgia Tech Michigan Oklahoma Colorado Georgia
Louisville Michigan State Oklahoma State Oregon Kentucky
Miami Minnesota TCU Oregon State LSU
North Carolina Nebraska Texas USC Ole Miss
NC State Northwestern Texas Tech Stanford Mississippi State
Pittsburgh Ohio State West Virginia Utah Missouri
Syracuse Penn State Washington South Carolina
Virginia Purdue Washington State Tennessee
Virginia Tech Rutgers Texas A&M
Wake Forest Wisconsin Vanderbilt
Notre Dame*
* The University of Notre Dame is full voting member of the ACC, and although its football team does not participate in ACC football and competes as a football independent, it is obligated to play an average of five football games a year against ACC opponents.[5] In 2020, during the COVID-19 pandemic, Notre Dame entered into a full ACC football schedule and was eligible for the conference's championship.[6] Notre Dame fields 24 other varsity sports that compete in the ACC, as well as men's ice hockey which competes in the Big Ten Conference.

Group of Five
Conferences
American Athletic Conference
Conference USA
Mid-American Conference
Mountain West Conference
Sun Belt Conference
...
Under the College Football Playoff system
With the establishment of the College Football Playoff in 2014, the term "automatic qualifying conference" is no longer in use, as the Bowl Championship Series (BCS) has been discontinued. However, five of the six former AQ conferences are now known as the "Power Five conferences": the Big Ten Conference, the Big 12 Conference, the Atlantic Coast Conference (ACC), the Pac-12 Conference, and the Southeastern Conference (SEC). The sixth AQ conference, the Big East, was split up during the 2010–2014 NCAA conference realignment, with five members joining P5 conferences, Notre Dame establishing a relationship with the ACC, the remaining non-football members forming the new Big East Conference, and the remaining members forming the American Athletic Conference. It is unknown where the term "Power Five Conference" originated from; it is not officially documented anywhere by the NCAA.

The American, as well as Conference USA (C-USA), the Mid-American Conference (MAC), the Mountain West Conference (MW), and the Sun Belt Conference are known as the "Group of Five" (sometimes called the G5).

The FBS also has seven independent schools as of the current 2020 season: Notre Dame, Army, BYU, Liberty, New Mexico State, UConn, and UMass. Notre Dame is currently considered equal to the Power Five schools, being a full (with the exception of football) member of the ACC with an annual five-game football scheduling agreement with that conference; ... All Power Five leagues that require their members to schedule at least one Power Five team in nonconference play (currently the ACC, Big Ten, Big 12, SEC, and Pac-12) consider Notre Dame to be a Power Five opponent for such purposes. The ACC, Big Ten, and SEC also count BYU as a Power Five opponent for scheduling purposes, and the Big Ten and SEC count Army as well.[7][8][9]

Teams from the Power Five and the Group of Five play each other during the season, and sometimes also play against FCS teams. However, many coaches of Power Five schools have argued that Power Five schools should only be allowed to schedule games against other Power Five schools[/b].[3] ...Some Power Five conferences, including the Big Ten and SEC, require their teams to play at least one non-conference P5 opponent each season.[9][8]
....
Each conference champion from the Power Five and the highest-ranked Group of Five conference champion is guaranteed a spot in a New Year's Six Bowl.[11] Every year, a non-Power Five team is guaranteed one bid to the New Year's Six bowls; however, so far no additional bids beyond that one have been granted.
....
March Madness CBS, Turner $8.8bn ($1.1bn)
College Football Playoff ESPN $5.6bn ($470m)
Pac-12 Conference (Pac-12) Fox, ESPN $3.0bn ($250m)
Big Ten Conference (Big Ten) Fox, ESPN $2.6bn ($440m) [12]
Big 12 Conference (Big 12) Fox, ESPN $2.6bn ($200m)
Southeastern Conference (SEC) ESPN, CBS $2.25bn[13] ($55m)[note 1]
Atlantic Coast Conference (ACC) ESPN $1.86bn ($155m)[14]
Realignment since the 1990s
The FBS has undergone several waves of realignment since the 1990s, when the Bowl Coalition was established. ......
Under the BCS system
From 1998 to 2013, the top teams in Division I FBS played in the BCS. ... The BCS succeeded two other systems that were put in place after the 1991 season in order to ensure that one national champion could be crowned at the end of the season. The original Bowl Coalition consisted of the SEC, the Big Eight Conference (later succeeded by the Big 12), the Southwest Conference (SWC), the ACC, the Big East, and Notre Dame. The BCS added the Pac-10 (now known as the Pac-12) and the Big Ten, while the SWC dissolved in 1996. In 2013, the Big East split into two conferences, and its successor, the American Athletic Conference (The American), took the Big East's place for the 2013 season.

In addition to creating a national championship game, the BCS also created a set format for other major bowls. After the two top teams in the BCS rankings were matched up in the BCS National Championship Game, the other three or (after the 2005 season) four bowls selected other top teams. The term "BCS conference" was used by many fans to refer to one of the six conferences whose champions received an automatic berth in one of the five BCS bowl games, although BCS itself used the term "automatic qualifying conference" (AQ conference).[17] While the number of AQ conferences was technically variable,[18] the BCS always had six AQ conferences since its inception in 1998. The Mountain West Conference (MW) was perhaps the closest of the other conferences to getting AQ status, but its request for AQ status was denied in 2012.[19] Each of the bowls had a historic link with one or more of the six BCS conferences with the exception of the former Big East, and the bowl games selected a team from each of these conferences if it was eligible for a BCS bowl and not playing in the national title game. The conferences included in this group, with their traditional bowl links, were:

Big East Conference (The American in 2013) (not tied to any specific BCS bowl)
Atlantic Coast Conference (Orange Bowl)
Big 12 Conference (Fiesta Bowl)
Big Ten Conference (Rose Bowl)
Pac-12 Conference (Rose Bowl)
Southeastern Conference (Sugar Bowl)
Notre Dame is an independent in football, but was a founding member[20] of the BCS.[21] Because of the "Notre Dame rule", it had guaranteed access to the BCS bowls when it met certain defined performance criteria.[22]

Affirm, you might have a little too much time on your hands. But thanks, that was good info. Just a lot of it. With my challenged reading skills it took me 8 hours to read it.

Not too much time on hands, just not enough discipline yet to shake this UFFP addiction. I will work on that.

I think we can comment on this without quoting it again.

[Affirm]

Comment:
It would be good to see a report from Flagman or an attendee.
•how many people participated in the Zoom, other than AD, Coach, & Announcer?
•how many people asked questions or commented?
•what were the questions that were asked?
•other than info about “Timmons renovations” and comments about “the UT game” (which I think apaladin included in a post here today thanking Flagman for initiating & coordinating the Zoom; & in a post yesterday replying to Affirm), what else was said by AD & Coach that was significant?

[FUBeAR]

That’s a heap a readin. It’s good readin. But I haven’t red that many readin words since I red a rose for Emily in Willard pates English 11 class in 1977.

Affirm, there is no such thing as BCS schools(FBS) but we know what you mean. I would like to ask if he is going to be able to reschedule the Tennessee game and how is he doing filling holes in the 2022, 2023, 2024 and 2025 football schedules? Thanks

Well, apaladin, thank you for pointing out that my terminology was not precisely correct, and thank you for saying that you nevertheless knew what I meant. I feel that I SHOULD know what is correct, so I thank you for prompting me to find the information below online, which I have read for my information and also provide here for the few other UFFP members who, like me, may be behind in being fully certain of the correct designations, which seem to have changed more than once over time.

And, by the way, I am glad you mentioned the questions you would ask that would be somewhat related to mine; HOWEVER, MY SUGGESTION OF PLAYING "BEYOND ACC & SEC SCHOOLS" STANDS.

You mentioned the UT game. Yeah, would like to play them. Lot's closer than all of the other SEC schools except UofSC and UGA. But we already play 2 other Tennessee schools each and every year, and my suggestion has to do with playing teams in other parts of the country where we seldom go and have seldom been for football.

Also, if we beat a not-good SEC or not-good ACC team, people in our area (and other places) probably don't notice much because people in our area (and other places) know when those are bad teams; when we lose to them, people in our area (and other places), if they notice, probably say, "anyone can beat that SEC team", or "... that ACC team...", they are so bad". If we just play a non-ACC or non-SEC, we probably get "more credit" win or lose as far as local publicity is concerned, because a lot of people locally have heard of the school but have not kept up with how good or not good they currently are in football and assume they are probably good .

So, Flag Man, I will appreciate it if you would ask my question as well as apaladin's question. (Oh, I see it's already in the past! Hopefully, you or someone will report.)

The Power Five conferences make up five of the ten conferences in FBS; the other FBS conferences are informally known as the Group of Five (American Athletic Conference (the American or AAC), Conference USA, Mid-American Conference (MAC), Mountain West Conference, and the Sun Belt Conference).[3] The FBS consists of the Power Five, the Group of Five, and a small number of independent schools (among those schools long-time independents Army and Notre Dame, along with other schools that typically stay independent for a few years before moving to a conference).[/u] Prior to the establishment of the College Football Playoff in 2014, the Power Five conferences, as well as the old Big East Conference, were called Automatic Qualifying (AQ) conferences, because the champion of each conference received an automatic berth in one of the five Bowl Championship Series (BCS) bowl games. The final college football season for which the BCS was in effect was the 2013 season. With the split of the old Big East in 2013, there are now five power conferences.

...
Current conferences and teams
[There are] ... ten current FBS conferences listed below. For the Power Five, the member universities of each conference are ... [below].

Power Five
Conferences and member universities
ACC Big Ten Big 12 Pac-12 SEC
Boston College Illinois Baylor Arizona Alabama
Clemson Indiana Iowa State Arizona State Arkansas
Duke Iowa Kansas California Auburn
Florida State Maryland Kansas State UCLA Florida
Georgia Tech Michigan Oklahoma Colorado Georgia
Louisville Michigan State Oklahoma State Oregon Kentucky
Miami Minnesota TCU Oregon State LSU
North Carolina Nebraska Texas USC Ole Miss
NC State Northwestern Texas Tech Stanford Mississippi State
Pittsburgh Ohio State West Virginia Utah Missouri
Syracuse Penn State Washington South Carolina
Virginia Purdue Washington State Tennessee
Virginia Tech Rutgers Texas A&M
Wake Forest Wisconsin Vanderbilt
Notre Dame*
* The University of Notre Dame is full voting member of the ACC, and although its football team does not participate in ACC football and competes as a football independent, it is obligated to play an average of five football games a year against ACC opponents.[5] In 2020, during the COVID-19 pandemic, Notre Dame entered into a full ACC football schedule and was eligible for the conference's championship.[6] Notre Dame fields 24 other varsity sports that compete in the ACC, as well as men's ice hockey which competes in the Big Ten Conference.

Group of Five
Conferences
American Athletic Conference
Conference USA
Mid-American Conference
Mountain West Conference
Sun Belt Conference
...
Under the College Football Playoff system
With the establishment of the College Football Playoff in 2014, the term "automatic qualifying conference" is no longer in use, as the Bowl Championship Series (BCS) has been discontinued. However, five of the six former AQ conferences are now known as the "Power Five conferences": the Big Ten Conference, the Big 12 Conference, the Atlantic Coast Conference (ACC), the Pac-12 Conference, and the Southeastern Conference (SEC). The sixth AQ conference, the Big East, was split up during the 2010–2014 NCAA conference realignment, with five members joining P5 conferences, Notre Dame establishing a relationship with the ACC, the remaining non-football members forming the new Big East Conference, and the remaining members forming the American Athletic Conference. It is unknown where the term "Power Five Conference" originated from; it is not officially documented anywhere by the NCAA.

The American, as well as Conference USA (C-USA), the Mid-American Conference (MAC), the Mountain West Conference (MW), and the Sun Belt Conference are known as the "Group of Five" (sometimes called the G5).

The FBS also has seven independent schools as of the current 2020 season: Notre Dame, Army, BYU, Liberty, New Mexico State, UConn, and UMass. Notre Dame is currently considered equal to the Power Five schools, being a full (with the exception of football) member of the ACC with an annual five-game football scheduling agreement with that conference; ... All Power Five leagues that require their members to schedule at least one Power Five team in nonconference play (currently the ACC, Big Ten, Big 12, SEC, and Pac-12) consider Notre Dame to be a Power Five opponent for such purposes. The ACC, Big Ten, and SEC also count BYU as a Power Five opponent for scheduling purposes, and the Big Ten and SEC count Army as well.[7][8][9]

Teams from the Power Five and the Group of Five play each other during the season, and sometimes also play against FCS teams. However, many coaches of Power Five schools have argued that Power Five schools should only be allowed to schedule games against other Power Five schools[/b].[3] ...Some Power Five conferences, including the Big Ten and SEC, require their teams to play at least one non-conference P5 opponent each season.[9][8]
....
Each conference champion from the Power Five and the highest-ranked Group of Five conference champion is guaranteed a spot in a New Year's Six Bowl.[11] Every year, a non-Power Five team is guaranteed one bid to the New Year's Six bowls; however, so far no additional bids beyond that one have been granted.
....
March Madness CBS, Turner $8.8bn ($1.1bn)
College Football Playoff ESPN $5.6bn ($470m)
Pac-12 Conference (Pac-12) Fox, ESPN $3.0bn ($250m)
Big Ten Conference (Big Ten) Fox, ESPN $2.6bn ($440m) [12]
Big 12 Conference (Big 12) Fox, ESPN $2.6bn ($200m)
Southeastern Conference (SEC) ESPN, CBS $2.25bn[13] ($55m)[note 1]
Atlantic Coast Conference (ACC) ESPN $1.86bn ($155m)[14]
Realignment since the 1990s
The FBS has undergone several waves of realignment since the 1990s, when the Bowl Coalition was established. ......
Under the BCS system
From 1998 to 2013, the top teams in Division I FBS played in the BCS. ... The BCS succeeded two other systems that were put in place after the 1991 season in order to ensure that one national champion could be crowned at the end of the season. The original Bowl Coalition consisted of the SEC, the Big Eight Conference (later succeeded by the Big 12), the Southwest Conference (SWC), the ACC, the Big East, and Notre Dame. The BCS added the Pac-10 (now known as the Pac-12) and the Big Ten, while the SWC dissolved in 1996. In 2013, the Big East split into two conferences, and its successor, the American Athletic Conference (The American), took the Big East's place for the 2013 season.

In addition to creating a national championship game, the BCS also created a set format for other major bowls. After the two top teams in the BCS rankings were matched up in the BCS National Championship Game, the other three or (after the 2005 season) four bowls selected other top teams. The term "BCS conference" was used by many fans to refer to one of the six conferences whose champions received an automatic berth in one of the five BCS bowl games, although BCS itself used the term "automatic qualifying conference" (AQ conference).[17] While the number of AQ conferences was technically variable,[18] the BCS always had six AQ conferences since its inception in 1998. The Mountain West Conference (MW) was perhaps the closest of the other conferences to getting AQ status, but its request for AQ status was denied in 2012.[19] Each of the bowls had a historic link with one or more of the six BCS conferences with the exception of the former Big East, and the bowl games selected a team from each of these conferences if it was eligible for a BCS bowl and not playing in the national title game. The conferences included in this group, with their traditional bowl links, were:

Big East Conference (The American in 2013) (not tied to any specific BCS bowl)
Atlantic Coast Conference (Orange Bowl)
Big 12 Conference (Fiesta Bowl)
Big Ten Conference (Rose Bowl)
Pac-12 Conference (Rose Bowl)
Southeastern Conference (Sugar Bowl)
Notre Dame is an independent in football, but was a founding member[20] of the BCS.[21] Because of the "Notre Dame rule", it had guaranteed access to the BCS bowls when it met certain defined performance criteria.[22]

Affirm, you might have a little too much time on your hands. But thanks, that was good info. Just a lot of it. With my challenged reading skills it took me 8 hours to read it.

Not too much time on hands, just not enough discipline yet to shake this UFFP addiction. I will work on that.

I think we can comment on this without quoting it again.

seconded

[Rokawaylifer]

Cave, then of course dr. P introduced me to a shy, sickly girl from millegdeville. Magic.

That’s a heap a readin. It’s good readin. But I haven’t red that many readin words since I red a rose for Emily in Willard pates English 11 class in 1977.

Willard Pate caused me to read William Faulkner books.

[apaladin]

Comment:
It would be good to see a report from Flagman or an attendee.
•how many people participated in the Zoom, other than AD, Coach, & Announcer?
•how many people asked questions or commented?
•what were the questions that were asked?
•other than info about “Timmons renovations” and comments about “the UT game” (which I think apaladin included in a post here today thanking Flagman for initiating & coordinating the Zoom; & in a post yesterday replying to Affirm), what else was said by AD & Coach that was significant?

I will attempt. First I dont think there was an attendance counter. Only a couple of people asked questions but Dan Scott had a pretty good list of questions and they answered all of them. The UFFP was mentioned a couple of times. For Sad din, I did fail to mention that luxury boxes will be included in the Timmons remodel according to JD. They have regular meetings with the architectures and JD just had a 2 hour meeting with CBR and said coach is fired up about Timmons. The facility will also include practice facilities for both mens and womens teams. Just waiting on that cornerstone donation. JD addressed the baseball debacle and said he was given 5 years to get a plan together but that of course didnt happen. IMHO I thnk he is still mad/upet he was not given that opportunity he was promised. Tried to justify it with the gender equity argument, covid etc. I believe he really wanted to keep baseball and said if he had known it was going to happen, that would have thrown up a red flag as for taking the job. He did say they were not going to do anything with the baseball stadium for at least a year and they will maintain it in top shape. He also said baseball would not be back for at least 3-4 years but left open the possiblility for a return if the university coukd get in a better financial condition. He did say that they are making plans fir a “normal” fall foitball season. Said changes to PS to make it more fan friendly will be made including a student tailgating area inside the stadium, not outside. Said the student body requested that. CCH did say that they expect a capacity crowd for the season opener with NC A&T as the Aggies really travel and turn out well. As for FBS games he said the fact is SEC and ACC pay the best. He didn’t rule out other games but thats where the money is so I wouldn’t hold my breath looking for any other FBS teams other than SEC and ACC. Think about it how much is Rice or other teams going to pay? As for only 4 games vs 5 we paid for in football he said they were planning an event with players and coaches to make up for the 5th game or we could request a refund, put it towards the fall tickets or just donate the 5th game. Back to basketball he did say they still plan on playing at the well but the new Timmons would be the “home court”. Thats all I can remember for now other than I think JD is the right guy for the job. Thanks to JD, Flagman and Dan.

[greenvegas]

Will the Timmons renovation include reconfiguring fan seating to be on all sides of the court, as close to the basketball court as possible and even including the four corners of the court?

[apaladin]

Will the Timmons renovation include reconfiguring fan seating to be on all sides of the court, as close to the basketball court as possible and even including the four corners of the court?

Yes it is my understandng there will be 360 degree seating,

[Flagman]

I have notes from the meeting. I’m working on the summary. Hopefully, I’ll get it posted soon. There were only 14 on the call and that number included 5 from the athletic staff. Jason, Erin, Ty, Clay, and Dan. As a Paladin mentioned, I did submit your questions and they answered all of them.

[Affirm]

I have notes from the meeting. I’m working on the summary. Hopefully, I’ll get it posted soon. There were only 14 on the call and that number included 5 from the athletic staff. Jason, Erin, Ty, Clay, and Dan. As a Paladin mentioned, I did submit your questions and they answered all of them.

Sincere thanks.

[Affirm]

Comment:
It would be good to see a report from Flagman or an attendee.
,,,
•other than ... what else was said by AD & Coach that was significant?

I will attempt. ... Thats all I can remember for now other than I think JD is the right guy for the job. Thanks to JD, Flagman and Dan.

Sincere thanks to you apaladin.
(Since people seemingly are quite averse to replies that include quoting something that is at all long, I have, above, deleted most of your post, and most of mine that you were replying to, but left in small parts so everyone knows what's being replied to.)

[gofurman]

A big thanks to Flagman!!! and to AP for the summary too ,!!

GoFurman

[Flagman]

Here is my summary of the call.
1. Future schedules include NC A&T: we expect a sell-out. A&T travels well. Also, Kennesaw State was rescheduled. Our game last year was the best attended game for Ga State.
2. Unofficially, in 2026 we will play Tennessee. Would like to get JMU on the schedule.
3. (Clay) Since 2004, we’ve only had two years with six homes games. Would like to do better. Getting home and home series is better than paying for home games.
4. Transfer portal: 1,400 players currently in the portal. We’ve lost one to the portal.
5. Rule changes coming in 2021 regarding transfers will probably not affect Furman.
6. Clay said he doesn’t even know how to log into the portal.
7. Team has been in pads for 5 days. Game day T minus 3 weeks.
8. Team has tested negative.
9. Attendance at games depends largely on Greenville area stats. (Furman has a website that tells the current status)
10. Best case for fans is April, definitely fall.
11. Football is being tested 5 times/week. Testing cost is up, income down. Would love to have a corporate sponsor.
12. Hopefully, we will have at least one week’s notice of a football cancellation.
13. Looking for a VMI rescheduled announcement for basketball soon.
14. Timmons Arena – working with architects. Will have a 360 degree concourse with box seats. Quietly raising money.
15. Baseball: Furman is tuition-driven. Sports are to reflect school gender population (Furman 60% women). Athletics is 60% men. If baseball can return, it’s 3-4 years away.
16. Furman is not requiring SAT scores, nor is the NCAA.