I sure hope you are right JK. A conference only schedule would be O.K. with me if that's what we need to do to have a season. Dang, I was looking forward to going to the UT game. It's only a 3 hr. drive.The Jackal wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 8:59 pmA few of my thoughts:
- I suspect my suspicion was correct - the SEC knew it couldn't play out of conference contests without paying off the canceled teams. Either play/pay all of them, or none of them.
- I do not know if this was intended, but by announcing their "plus one" model yesterday, the ACC essentially makes it the SEC's fault for canceling long running rivalry games. I expect the ACC made that schedule already knowing what the SEC was going to do.
- I would expect the SoCon know to go to a conference only model. Without the revenue from the Tennessee game, I doubt Furman will be excited about spending money to bring in Presbyterian or hitting the road against Charleston Southern. Like with Tennessee, Furman will need the SoCon to go conference only to avoid those games.
- While games against James Madison and NDSU are enticing, there's just no money in it. Even for large traveling fan bases, most folks are not traveling, not staying in hotels, not driving any significant distance, etc.
- Maybe one of the G5 schools wants to pay us to come up the road a bit for a game. A team like App State may fit the bill - game check + limited travel.
Finally a conference with a little backbone. The only one unless the Big 12 comes thru.
I would hate to see us screw over Chas Southern and P.C. the way we were screwed. I doubt we are really paying P.C. much and a 2 hr trip to Summerville just isn’t a big deal is it? I don’t understand why we would want to go conference only. A game is a game.The Jackal wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 8:59 pmA few of my thoughts:
- I suspect my suspicion was correct - the SEC knew it couldn't play out of conference contests without paying off the canceled teams. Either play/pay all of them, or none of them.
- I do not know if this was intended, but by announcing their "plus one" model yesterday, the ACC essentially makes it the SEC's fault for canceling long running rivalry games. I expect the ACC made that schedule already knowing what the SEC was going to do.
- I would expect the SoCon know to go to a conference only model. Without the revenue from the Tennessee game, I doubt Furman will be excited about spending money to bring in Presbyterian or hitting the road against Charleston Southern. Like with Tennessee, Furman will need the SoCon to go conference only to avoid those games.
- While games against James Madison and NDSU are enticing, there's just no money in it. Even for large traveling fan bases, most folks are not traveling, not staying in hotels, not driving any significant distance, etc.
- Maybe one of the G5 schools wants to pay us to come up the road a bit for a game. A team like App State may fit the bill - game check + limited travel.
We’ve got over a $1billion in assets. We can afford to play. If we don’t play it’s because we really aren’t that into it.apaladin wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 7:56 pmDon’t see any chance of picking up a money game since this is why the big boys cancelled ooc games to avoid paying teams with no or few fans. Safety has zero to do with it. Think it is funny the ACC made provisions to keep a few in state rival games and the SEC said FU. FU could easily pick up an additional game but not for money. I think the SoCon will scrap this season now anyway. There will be costs involved for testing etc and how can FU afford to lose $650k(UTgame) yet pay for testing etc when they can barely keep the lights on?
It was going to be a pretty nice set up for Furman. We played UT in between arguably the two biggest games on their schedule - Oklahoma and Florida. We were not their home opener, so that buzz would have already subsided. New rules would also have reduced the crowd size significantly.
None of that is correct.Furmanoid wrote: ↑Fri Jul 31, 2020 7:46 amI wish the SoCon and maybe all of FCS would agree to count these games as forfeits just to mess with them. After all, these ARE forfeits. One team is ready and the other is a no show.
I also hope somebody at least threatens loudly to take legal action. The “the SEC made me do it” argument is only valid if your school voted against it. I might even accuse them of conspiracy to defraud because that’s what it is. Anyway I hope we mess with them.
I guess we’re gonna find out how many programs can’t survive without a money game. I think that notion is exaggerated or at least I hope it is.
It was reasonable for Colgate to fear coming to a state threatened by a hurricane. They are Yankees and don’t understand such things. But isn’t it absurd to assert that UT would be endangered by allowing Furman to come and play on their field but not endangered by letting Florida, UGA or LSU come and play? A game is a game. There is no force majeure argument because such forces do not recognize conference affiliations.The Jackal wrote: ↑Fri Jul 31, 2020 8:56 amNone of that is correct.Furmanoid wrote: ↑Fri Jul 31, 2020 7:46 amI wish the SoCon and maybe all of FCS would agree to count these games as forfeits just to mess with them. After all, these ARE forfeits. One team is ready and the other is a no show.
I also hope somebody at least threatens loudly to take legal action. The “the SEC made me do it” argument is only valid if your school voted against it. I might even accuse them of conspiracy to defraud because that’s what it is. Anyway I hope we mess with them.
I guess we’re gonna find out how many programs can’t survive without a money game. I think that notion is exaggerated or at least I hope it is.
These are no more forfeits than it was when Colgate canceled on us with a pending hurricane or we bought out Delaware to play Missouri.
What legal action would you suggest? The entire reason the SEC has made the decision it did is to foreclose legal action. They sacrificed some big money games to avoid having to be sued by three dozen or more different schools for breach of contract.
I don't specifically know how each conference works, but they are a confederation of teams that make decisions based on a unified structure. I'm sure USC wants to play Clemson, but the conference decision is the one that matters.
