Scheduling

[Affirm]

apaladin is correct. There would be many, including me, that would no longer support FU athletics if we moved to D2. And I agree that we would be worse off financially if we did.

(As an aside, Austin Peay went to non-scholarship football about 15 years ago. It was a disaster. They reinstated scholarship football and the university has thrived ever since.

Let's table that idiotic idea.

Do not twist what anyone wrote. Pioneer League is not D2, it is D1.

Pioneer also makes no sense. It is D1 football in name only. Only one team within driving distance. Teams in New York, Florida, Indiana, Iowa, Ohio, Kentucky and California. Travel expenses along with reduced revenue would make this a disaster also.

Davidson, Presbyterian, and Campbell are 3 teams within driving distance. So is Morehead State if you consider Samford University within driving distance, since the distances from Furman to Morehead State and to Samford are approximately equal
Obviously those 4 schools have not found it to be a disaster, nor has University of San Diego or Drake or Marist or Dayton or Butler or Valparaiso. Maybe Jacksonville University did.
I would expect that we would make such a move only if the travel expenses and reduced revenue would not be made up by spending fewer dollars on football scholarships.
Also, I did mention that efforts should be made, if we pursued this, to bring Wofford and Citadel with us. If that succeeded, then there would be 6 teams within driving distance.
Also, I did not say that Pioneer League is the only option. I believe that we should be open to considering various options.

[cavedweller2]

I wouldn't mind if Davidson rejoined. I am hate them long time.

[Affirm]

apaladin is correct. There would be many, including me, that would no longer support FU athletics if we moved to D2. And I agree that we would be worse off financially if we did.

(As an aside, Austin Peay went to non-scholarship football about 15 years ago. It was a disaster. They reinstated scholarship football and the university has thrived ever since.

Let's table that idiotic idea.

Do not twist what anyone wrote. Pioneer League is not D2, it is D1.

If you think football needs to be in the Pioneer, why don't you get off your ass and accomplish it instead of annoying the hell out of people on a message board. Start a campaign, go to the administration etc. Good luck with that.

I have said that we need to consider that as an option and a possible alternative. There is nothing wrong with looking at what the various options may be and making a sound decision, whether that is to stay status quo or whether it is to make a change. Please don't rudely express your anger. I do not intend to annoy people, but I will continue to express my thoughts when I want to do so.

[tim]

apaladin is correct. There would be many, including me, that would no longer support FU athletics if we moved to D2. And I agree that we would be worse off financially if we did.

(As an aside, Austin Peay went to non-scholarship football about 15 years ago. It was a disaster. They reinstated scholarship football and the university has thrived ever since.

Let's table that idiotic idea.

Do not twist what anyone wrote. Pioneer League is not D2, it is D1.

If you think football needs to be in the Pioneer, why don't you get off your ass and accomplish it instead of annoying the hell out of people on a message board. Start a campaign, go to the administration etc. Good luck with that.

I have said that we need to consider that as an option and a possible alternative. There is nothing wrong with looking at what the various options may be and making a sound decision, whether that is to stay status quo or whether it is to make a change. Please don't rudely express your anger. I do not intend to annoy people, but I will continue to express my thoughts when I want to do so.

Express your opinion to our football players. Tell one of them you would "consider" taking their scholly to help basketball.

[apaladin]

apaladin is correct. There would be many, including me, that would no longer support FU athletics if we moved to D2. And I agree that we would be worse off financially if we did.

(As an aside, Austin Peay went to non-scholarship football about 15 years ago. It was a disaster. They reinstated scholarship football and the university has thrived ever since.

Let's table that idiotic idea.

Do not twist what anyone wrote. Pioneer League is not D2, it is D1.

Pioneer also makes no sense. It is D1 football in name only. Only one team within driving distance. Teams in New York, Florida, Indiana, Iowa, Ohio, Kentucky and California. Travel expenses along with reduced revenue would make this a disaster also.

Davidson, Presbyterian, and Campbell are 3 teams within driving distance. So is Morehead State if you consider Samford University within driving distance, since the distances from Furman to Morehead State and to Samford are approximately equal
Obviously those 4 schools have not found it to be a disaster, nor has University of San Diego or Drake or Marist or Dayton or Butler or Valparaiso. Maybe Jacksonville University did.
I would expect that we would make such a move only if the travel expenses and reduced revenue would not be made up by spending fewer dollars on football scholarships.
Also, I did mention that efforts should be made, if we pursued this, to bring Wofford and Citadel with us. If that succeeded, then there would be 6 teams within driving distance.
Also, I did not say that Pioneer League is the only option. I believe that we should be open to considering various options.

Pretty sure Campbell is in the Big South. Samford is the farthest in the SoCon. Morehead St. would be the third closest in the Pioneer with no others driveable. Big difference.

[Affirm]

apaladin is correct. There would be many, including me, that would no longer support FU athletics if we moved to D2. And I agree that we would be worse off financially if we did.

(As an aside, Austin Peay went to non-scholarship football about 15 years ago. It was a disaster. They reinstated scholarship football and the university has thrived ever since.

Let's table that idiotic idea.

Do not twist what anyone wrote. Pioneer League is not D2, it is D1.

Pioneer also makes no sense. It is D1 football in name only. Only one team within driving distance. Teams in New York, Florida, Indiana, Iowa, Ohio, Kentucky and California. Travel expenses along with reduced revenue would make this a disaster also.

Davidson, Presbyterian, and Campbell are 3 teams within driving distance. So is Morehead State if you consider Samford University within driving distance, since the distances from Furman to Morehead State and to Samford are approximately equal
Obviously those 4 schools have not found it to be a disaster, nor has University of San Diego or Drake or Marist or Dayton or Butler or Valparaiso. Maybe Jacksonville University did.
I would expect that we would make such a move only if the travel expenses and reduced revenue would not be made up by spending fewer dollars on football scholarships.
Also, I did mention that efforts should be made, if we pursued this, to bring Wofford and Citadel with us. If that succeeded, then there would be 6 teams within driving distance.
Also, I did not say that Pioneer League is the only option. I believe that we should be open to considering various options.

Pretty sure Campbell is in the Big South. Samford is the farthest in the SoCon. Morehead St. would be the third closest in the Pioneer with no others driveable. Big difference.

Yes, Campbell left Pioneer in 2017. I did not intentionally mislead with including them in Pioneer teams - I honestly forgot that they now are Big South. I apologize for my mistake. Your driving distance analysis is correct.
So our football team could bus to 1 Pioneer opponent each year and fly to 4 each year, with the other 5 conference games being at our place.
And if we got Wofford and/or Citadel to go with us to Pioneer, then we’d still have a max of 4 flights to games per 11 or 12 game season.
With Wofford and/or Citadel joining with us, we could fill our entire schedule with conference teams; or with only us joining Pioneer and making it 11 teams, then we’d only need 1 or 2 OOC games to fill up the schedule.
I am not trying to argue that Pioneer is our best option. I’m sharing comments while thinking about this one option.