NET Rankings

[tya1]

If you have any doubts the the rankings are not skewed towards the big boys, consider this: Duke lost to an 11-15 team by 12 points and dropped one spot in the kenpom and stayed the same in the Net rankings. In other words losses to bad teams have no effect on certain teams.

Teams at the top or bottom of the ratings often are separated by a bigger margin of points than teams closer to the middle. There is no conspiracy involved.

For example, Duke is rated #5 by KenPom. That is more than than 1 point better than #6 Dayton (1.27 difference); #4 San Diego State is almost half a point better than Duke (.45 difference.) Furman is #80. That is only .04 lower than #79 Boise State and .04 better than #81 Akron. Only 1 team is within 1 rating point of Duke either above or below. There are 14 other teams within 1 point of Furman. There are 23 teams within 1 point of middle of D1 #176 Eastern Michigan. Rankings are more volatile as you approach the middle. A single win or loss makes a larger difference.

[Roundball]

Big move up to 67. https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/basketbal ... t-rankings

[apaladin]

Good move up. Very important. Of course we will have to win Saturday by 20+ to avoid dropping.

[dinhead]

Good move up. Very important. Of course we will have to win Saturday by 20+ to avoid dropping.

NET scoring margin is capped at 10 points. So what would help us is to roll up good offensive and defensive efficiency numbers which are not capped.

[dinhead]

If you have any doubts the the rankings are not skewed towards the big boys, consider this: Duke lost to an 11-15 team by 12 points and dropped one spot in the kenpom and stayed the same in the Net rankings. In other words losses to bad teams have no effect on certain teams.

Teams at the top or bottom of the ratings often are separated by a bigger margin of points than teams closer to the middle. There is no conspiracy involved.

For example, Duke is rated #5 by KenPom. That is more than than 1 point better than #6 Dayton (1.27 difference); #4 San Diego State is almost half a point better than Duke (.45 difference.) Furman is #80. That is only .04 lower than #79 Boise State and .04 better than #81 Akron. Only 1 team is within 1 rating point of Duke either above or below. There are 14 other teams within 1 point of Furman. There are 23 teams within 1 point of middle of D1 #176 Eastern Michigan. Rankings are more volatile as you approach the middle. A single win or loss makes a larger difference.

If they wanted to favor the "big boys" why would they count non- D-1 games towards the offensive and defensive efficiency ratings. The SoCon "big three" pad their stats by playing three such games while most teams considered for at large bids play zero.

[Flagman]

The "Big boys" in basketball consider playing a mid-major team as playing a lower division opponent, even though there are no such distinctions in division 1 basketball. For mid-majors, the next step down in division II. I'm sure Auburn, Alabama, and South Florida considered us as a lower division game (i.e. type in the "W"). Let's just ask Brad Brownell and Frank Martin if they want to play Furman, ETSU, or UNCG. I think we all know their answer.

[youwouldno]

If you have any doubts the the rankings are not skewed towards the big boys, consider this: Duke lost to an 11-15 team by 12 points and dropped one spot in the kenpom and stayed the same in the Net rankings. In other words losses to bad teams have no effect on certain teams.

Teams at the top or bottom of the ratings often are separated by a bigger margin of points than teams closer to the middle. There is no conspiracy involved.

For example, Duke is rated #5 by KenPom. That is more than than 1 point better than #6 Dayton (1.27 difference); #4 San Diego State is almost half a point better than Duke (.45 difference.) Furman is #80. That is only .04 lower than #79 Boise State and .04 better than #81 Akron. Only 1 team is within 1 rating point of Duke either above or below. There are 14 other teams within 1 point of Furman. There are 23 teams within 1 point of middle of D1 #176 Eastern Michigan. Rankings are more volatile as you approach the middle. A single win or loss makes a larger difference.

If they wanted to favor the "big boys" why would they count non- D-1 games towards the offensive and defensive efficiency ratings. The SoCon "big three" pad their stats by playing three such games while most teams considered for at large bids play zero.

Non D-I games are excluded from Pomeroy rankings and statistics. You can see what happened but the results are not part of the team or player stats.

[apaladin]

.....and they are not counted in the Net rankings at all. Our record in the Net rankings is 21-6.

[DungeonRealm]

If you have any doubts the the rankings are not skewed towards the big boys, consider this: Duke lost to an 11-15 team by 12 points and dropped one spot in the kenpom and stayed the same in the Net rankings. In other words losses to bad teams have no effect on certain teams.

Teams at the top or bottom of the ratings often are separated by a bigger margin of points than teams closer to the middle. There is no conspiracy involved.

For example, Duke is rated #5 by KenPom. That is more than than 1 point better than #6 Dayton (1.27 difference); #4 San Diego State is almost half a point better than Duke (.45 difference.) Furman is #80. That is only .04 lower than #79 Boise State and .04 better than #81 Akron. Only 1 team is within 1 rating point of Duke either above or below. There are 14 other teams within 1 point of Furman. There are 23 teams within 1 point of middle of D1 #176 Eastern Michigan. Rankings are more volatile as you approach the middle. A single win or loss makes a larger difference.

If they wanted to favor the "big boys" why would they count non- D-1 games towards the offensive and defensive efficiency ratings. The SoCon "big three" pad their stats by playing three such games while most teams considered for at large bids play zero.

Power conferences pad their stats by playing virtually ZERO out of conference road games

[furpop16]

The "Big boys" in basketball consider playing a mid-major team as playing a lower division opponent, even though there are no such distinctions in division 1 basketball. For mid-majors, the next step down in division II. I'm sure Auburn, Alabama, and South Florida considered us as a lower division game (i.e. type in the "W"). Let's just ask Brad Brownell and Frank Martin if they want to play Furman, ETSU, or UNCG. I think we all know their answer.

I see your point. There's no upside in it for them.

[Roundball]

This must have been written before the UNCG game, as it refers to our record as being 20-6. I understand not counting non-Division 1 games. https://bleacherreport.com/articles/287 ... l-used-rpi

“But the two mid-majors that are suffering the most are Furman and Akron.

Neither the 20-6 Paladins nor the 19-7 Zips have done anything that impressive. They have a combined record of 1-9 against the top two Quadrants, with Furman's home win over ETSU as the lone outlier in a sea of losses. That both rank in the RPI top 50 is a testament to why we needed a new metric.

Nevertheless, those two minimal-loss squads would have been in the at-large conversation two years ago. In all likelihood, the selection committee would have made note of their lack of quality wins and quickly moved on to other, more deserving candidates, but they would've at least received a cursory glance as top-50 teams.

Now that they're both ranked outside the top 75, though, it is surely auto bid or bust."

[DungeonRealm]

This must have been written before the UNCG game, as it refers to our record as being 20-6. I understand not counting non-Division 1 games. https://bleacherreport.com/articles/287 ... l-used-rpi

“But the two mid-majors that are suffering the most are Furman and Akron.

Neither the 20-6 Paladins nor the 19-7 Zips have done anything that impressive. They have a combined record of 1-9 against the top two Quadrants, with Furman's home win over ETSU as the lone outlier in a sea of losses. That both rank in the RPI top 50 is a testament to why we needed a new metric.

Nevertheless, those two minimal-loss squads would have been in the at-large conversation two years ago. In all likelihood, the selection committee would have made note of their lack of quality wins and quickly moved on to other, more deserving candidates, but they would've at least received a cursory glance as top-50 teams.

Now that they're both ranked outside the top 75, though, it is surely auto bid or bust."

Pretty dumb article , we would beat Alabama, Auburn and South Florida this year at home, no doubt about it, the bull-jive power conferences might be fooling the average dumb hoops fan out there but they are not fooling us one bit, we know exactly what it all boils down to

Michigan barley beat us
Georgia barley beat us
Tennessee barely beat us
We slapped Nova in the nuts
Clemson and USC are scared to even play us

These are all teams we would beat at home if given the chance, possibly blow some of them out too, them's the facts

[apaladin]

Up to #65 in the Net rankings this morning.