Furman vs Citadel

[palafan]

It wasn’t any single person that had a bad game. NO ONE played well.

[FUBeAR]

Still. It didn’t really rain until second half. I can’t understand first half missing wide open guys by 5 yards short

I said he told me this at halftime...right?

Well, I’ll certainly balance your ‘understanding’ with that of an All SoCon QB, who spent some time in an NFL camp, to form my opinion of weather/experience-related relevance as to the performance of FU’s QB yesterday.

Bear, slow your roll and read this. and see how I am objective. You REALLY ought to balance my unnderstanding... EVERYONE has input that can be valuable. EVERYONE.

First, just because someone played doesn't mean they always know more. I have done things (at work etc - for 10 years!) and guys who have NEVER done those things have given me advice and were sometimes right because they had insights I didn't have as they had better external optics on the issue etc. I can think of one example where my 10 years of experience told me X wouldnt' work but this new guy did it and it worked like a champ bc he was too ignorant NOT to try it. RESPECT peoples opinions man.

Also, If he told you that at halftime it's hardly relevant as it didn't start raining until LATE 2nd quarter and even then was a slight mist for heavens sake. How did he explain the 90% of the bad passes that occurred before that point??? I m interested what he said about the passes before the last few minutes of first half where DG couldn't hit the side of a barn and it was dry and cloudy - no rain at all

Yes, exactly - as I said, I will balance my impression, gathered from reading your many posts, of your understanding, knowledge & experience in throwing a football in a D1 college game with that of my other source on this subject, weigh those, and form my opinion.

Are you suggesting that your perspective is superior to his and I should, therefore, weigh your thoughts more heavily than his in my deliberations? If so, I’ll need to take that into consideration as well.

FUBeAR, quit being such a snarky guy. You are a good guy. But you often fall into the " he who is seeking first to take a STAND and then quit listens to UNDERSTAND "

Ill give a strong example. You played (and I appreciate that) but you have all those years of experience and you defended BL as a coach A LOT. I never played and I knew BL was a 6-5 coach and was glad to see him leave Furman. SEE? you can not play and still have a better perspective. You have been defending BL for YEARS here and on AGS quite fervently. I was glad to see him leave FU (though I wish him the best!). You played. I didn't. Who was right about BL? MANY I know here have said the same as me (non-players) that it was best that BL get gone in numerous PMs. And once at Mercer FU would get the best of him. we have (3-0). Hendrix 3 - Lamb ZERO. Your playing and relationship w some people has limited your scope of view at times. You played D1 ball .. I didn't. Who was right? ME.

that is very analagous to my work example.

SO AGAIN Ill ask the question you did not answer - I am sure you will get distracted and give me something else and not answer this AGAIN -----> how was asking about rain relevant at halftime when it hadn't really rained yet?

LOL - very humorous post on so many levels. Thanks for that!

...but...just for fun...you might be well-served to read my initial post in this trivial exchange.
1) I didn’t ask him anything
2) “Rain” is not mentioned - “Wet” is the relevant variable. As I stood for 15 minutes or so on the playing field just before the game started, I can 100% assure with a posteriori knowledge, (i.e., no opinion required; no a priori opposing argument worth considering) that the playing surface was completely soaked or “wet.” Now you may say that the balls are kept dry with towels & new footballs every play, etc....but, again, I can use my a posteriori experience of having played Center for FU to declare that certainly false. If the field is wet, the balls will be wet. It’s all about the wetness, GF. I ain’t tryin’ ta be no Milli Vanilli, y’know!

[gofurman]

It wasn’t any single person that had a bad game. NO ONE played well.

I get your point but I felt a few defenders played well. and I can't ask the WRs to catch balls thrown that short.

[gofurman]

Still. It didn’t really rain until second half. I can’t understand first half missing wide open guys by 5 yards short

I said he told me this at halftime...right?

Well, I’ll certainly balance your ‘understanding’ with that of an All SoCon QB, who spent some time in an NFL camp, to form my opinion of weather/experience-related relevance as to the performance of FU’s QB yesterday.

Bear, slow your roll and read this. and see how I am objective. You REALLY ought to balance my unnderstanding... EVERYONE has input that can be valuable. EVERYONE.

First, just because someone played doesn't mean they always know more. I have done things (at work etc - for 10 years!) and guys who have NEVER done those things have given me advice and were sometimes right because they had insights I didn't have as they had better external optics on the issue etc. I can think of one example where my 10 years of experience told me X wouldnt' work but this new guy did it and it worked like a champ bc he was too ignorant NOT to try it. RESPECT peoples opinions man.

Also, If he told you that at halftime it's hardly relevant as it didn't start raining until LATE 2nd quarter and even then was a slight mist for heavens sake. How did he explain the 90% of the bad passes that occurred before that point??? I m interested what he said about the passes before the last few minutes of first half where DG couldn't hit the side of a barn and it was dry and cloudy - no rain at all

Yes, exactly - as I said, I will balance my impression, gathered from reading your many posts, of your understanding, knowledge & experience in throwing a football in a D1 college game with that of my other source on this subject, weigh those, and form my opinion.

Are you suggesting that your perspective is superior to his and I should, therefore, weigh your thoughts more heavily than his in my deliberations? If so, I’ll need to take that into consideration as well.

FUBeAR, quit being such a snarky guy. You are a good guy. But you often fall into the " he who is seeking first to take a STAND and then quit listens to UNDERSTAND "

Ill give a strong example. You played (and I appreciate that) but you have all those years of experience and you defended BL as a coach A LOT. I never played and I knew BL was a 6-5 coach and was glad to see him leave Furman. SEE? you can not play and still have a better perspective. You have been defending BL for YEARS here and on AGS quite fervently. I was glad to see him leave FU (though I wish him the best!). You played. I didn't. Who was right about BL? MANY I know here have said the same as me (non-players) that it was best that BL get gone in numerous PMs. And once at Mercer FU would get the best of him. we have (3-0). Hendrix 3 - Lamb ZERO. Your playing and relationship w some people has limited your scope of view at times. You played D1 ball .. I didn't. Who was right? ME.

that is very analagous to my work example.

SO AGAIN Ill ask the question you did not answer - I am sure you will get distracted and give me something else and not answer this AGAIN -----> how was asking about rain relevant at halftime when it hadn't really rained yet?

LOL - very humorous post on so many levels. Thanks for that!

...but...just for fun...you might be well-served to read my initial post in this trivial exchange.
1) I didn’t ask him anything
2) “Rain” is not mentioned - “Wet” is the relevant variable. As I stood for 15 minutes or so on the playing field just before the game started, I can 100% assure with a posteriori knowledge, (i.e., no opinion required; no a priori opposing argument worth considering) that the playing surface was completely soaked or “wet.” Now you may say that the balls are kept dry with towels & new footballs every play, etc....but, again, I can use my a posteriori experience of having played Center for FU to declare that certainly false. If the field is wet, the balls will be wet. It’s all about the wetness, GF. I ain’t tryin’ ta be no Milli Vanilli, y’know!

FUBeAR, I just watched the CH show at 11 and our head coach disagrees with your guy

So you dont agree with CH??? I mean he is a coach !! LOL - I am heckling you mildly based on your OWN LOGIC that CH should know what he is talking about. I am using your own logic that players and coaches should know more ! He just said weather didn't affect DG etc until third or fourth quarter.. That said, again I maintain people can know more than coaches and players - as far as I am concerned personally, your former player may know more well about passing a wet ball than CH does. You see.. I AM OBJECTIVE and fair.

One thing that gets me is when people think players and coaches know more about EVERY aspect of football. that's just not true. It's true in the details of schemes etc but I have a buddy that is considering quitting his job as he makes 30-40K betting every year on football (he is near retirement) and we have a joke that another guy who played and bets a little casually always loses money. The former player can't see the forest for the trees and admits it. It's just a running fun joke among several good friends. The one guy who played the least is always the best at picking games.

[FurmAlum]

Everybody needs to lay off Grainger. My God, he's a Freshman. Only played 1 year at QB in HS. He does not have much experience playing in cold, wet conditions (as outlined by FUBear and Jackal). You can practice all you want in wet conditions but that's not game conditions. He'll get better with time.

It's like in golf you can hit it great on the practice tee and then when you get on the course (especially in a tournament) you can't find your game. "the longest walk in golf, from the practice tee to the first tee."

Maybe that's true in football too!

[The Jackal]

Everybody needs to lay off Grainger. My God, he's a Freshman. Only played 1 year at QB in HS. He does not have much experience playing in cold, wet conditions (as outlined by FUBear and Jackal). You can practice all you want in wet conditions but that's not game conditions. He'll get better with time.

It's like in golf you can hit it great on the practice tee and then when you get on the course (especially in a tournament) you can't find your game. "the longest walk in golf, from the practice tee to the first tee."

Maybe that's true in football too!

Just throwing this out there - UGA and Kentucky played in Athens on Saturday, not too far away from Paladin Stadium. The conditions were similar (especially in the second half) - temps in the low 50s, rain, windy.

UGA's QB, Jake Fromm, was 9/12 for 35 yards
UK's QB, Lynn Bowden, was 2/15 for 17 yards

Now, Furman didn't play well, but let's not pretend like the conditions didn't have something to do with our passing numbers.

[apaladin]

Everybody needs to lay off Grainger. My God, he's a Freshman. Only played 1 year at QB in HS. He does not have much experience playing in cold, wet conditions (as outlined by FUBear and Jackal). You can practice all you want in wet conditions but that's not game conditions. He'll get better with time.

It's like in golf you can hit it great on the practice tee and then when you get on the course (especially in a tournament) you can't find your game. "the longest walk in golf, from the practice tee to the first tee."

Maybe that's true in football too!

I agree but on the other hand he has played 11 college games now and been in the program almost 2 years so I am not sure you can use the freshman excuse. Yes he is still young and has a lot to learn and we all think he will just get better and better. Yes we got too excited with this year's start and we are a little impatient after 10+ years of mediocrity.

[apaladin]

Everybody needs to lay off Grainger. My God, he's a Freshman. Only played 1 year at QB in HS. He does not have much experience playing in cold, wet conditions (as outlined by FUBear and Jackal). You can practice all you want in wet conditions but that's not game conditions. He'll get better with time.

It's like in golf you can hit it great on the practice tee and then when you get on the course (especially in a tournament) you can't find your game. "the longest walk in golf, from the practice tee to the first tee."

Maybe that's true in football too!

Just throwing this out there - UGA and Kentucky played in Athens on Saturday, not too far away from Paladin Stadium. The conditions were similar (especially in the second half) - temps in the low 50s, rain, windy.

UGA's QB, Jake Fromm, was 9/12 for 35 yards
UK's QB, Lynn Bowden, was 2/15 for 17 yards

Now, Furman didn't play well, but let's not pretend like the conditions didn't have something to do with our passing numbers.

Not to argue but CCH said when asked "if the weather had an effect on the game". He said it didn't really, maybe a little late in the game when we were trying to come back. It was more about missed opportunities in the first half". To counter your UGA game, Mercer and VMI played in a steady rain all day and both teams had 48 completions and almost 600 yds. passing. Prolly the big difference in looking at those 2 games is UGA does not have turf, so the footing was much worse than at Mercer.

[gofurman]

Everybody needs to lay off Grainger. My God, he's a Freshman. Only played 1 year at QB in HS. He does not have much experience playing in cold, wet conditions (as outlined by FUBear and Jackal). You can practice all you want in wet conditions but that's not game conditions. He'll get better with time.

It's like in golf you can hit it great on the practice tee and then when you get on the course (especially in a tournament) you can't find your game. "the longest walk in golf, from the practice tee to the first tee."

Maybe that's true in football too!

Just throwing this out there - UGA and Kentucky played in Athens on Saturday, not too far away from Paladin Stadium. The conditions were similar (especially in the second half) - temps in the low 50s, rain, windy.

UGA's QB, Jake Fromm, was 9/12 for 35 yards
UK's QB, Lynn Bowden, was 2/15 for 17 yards

Now, Furman didn't play well, but let's not pretend like the conditions didn't have something to do with our passing numbers.

Not to argue but CCH said when asked "if the weather had an effect on the game". He said it didn't really, maybe a little late in the game when we were trying to come back. It was more about missed opportunities in the first half". To counter your UGA game, Mercer and VMI played in a steady rain all day and both teams had 48 completions and almost 600 yds. passing. Prolly the big difference in looking at those 2 games is UGA does not have turf, so the footing was much worse than at Mercer.

right. not arguing. just stating that CH responded the weather did not have an effect .. at least not until late in second half (or soemthing like that). coulda been coach speak but he is pretty straight saying our OL stunk at run blocking.. how we didn't block safeties vs ETSU .. he will call out things. and he wasn't allowing for weather. AP has a point about UGA on grass vs turf. Turf negates the mud bowl stuff we saw when Wofford was apparently inferior to Spartan high !!!

[gofurman]

Everybody needs to lay off Grainger. My God, he's a Freshman. Only played 1 year at QB in HS. He does not have much experience playing in cold, wet conditions (as outlined by FUBear and Jackal). You can practice all you want in wet conditions but that's not game conditions. He'll get better with time.

It's like in golf you can hit it great on the practice tee and then when you get on the course (especially in a tournament) you can't find your game. "the longest walk in golf, from the practice tee to the first tee."

Maybe that's true in football too!

The only reason I got on this was I was told (I think by Jackal but maybe it was someone else) that HS QB experience is a red herring meaning HS QB experience isn't worth a hoot in prepping you for college. If thats the case as I was told then we can't flip the script and now say "but DG only had one year of HS experience"!. You can't have cake and eat it too. Either playign QB in HS preps you for college or it doesn't. Now maybe this is an exception to that rule? That playing a simple HS QB system for 3 years doesn't prep you for all the reads and blitzes of a college system but at least you have thrown a wet ball a lot??

curious thoughts here. really asking ... bc I was told that HS QB experience is a "red herring" (I recall the term) and isn't relevant to how you perform as a college QB.

[gman]

From Post & Courier.
Jeff's Take: The Citadel's back in the SoCon race, but we're not talking about it
By Jeff Hartsell jhartsell@postandcourier.com
Published Mon Oct 21, 2019 7:00 PM EDT
Brent Thompson doesn't want to make a big thing of it.


In fact, he'd probably rather not talk about it at all.

But The Citadel's football coach felt compelled to bring it up with his players on Sunday, one day after the Bulldogs played their best game of the season in a 27-10 beatdown of (formerly) No. 8 Furman.

"Last night, we talked about it," Thompson said at his Monday news conference. "I told them, this thing is wide open and we've still got a chance. But that's the last time we're going to talk about it because from here on out it's got to be 1-0 each and every week."

As hard as it is to believe, a Citadel team that began the season by losing its first two games — and also began its Southern Conference slate with two losses — still has a path to a SoCon championship.

The Bulldogs' victory at Furman leaves only one SoCon team with an unblemished league record, and 3-0 Chattanooga must play at surging Wofford (4-2, 3-1 with four straight wins) this week.

RUN IT BACK. Look back at our win over #8 Furman!#FireThoseCannons | #TheCitadel pic.twitter.com/G8ulBQkQkI

— The Citadel Football (@CitadelFootball) October 21, 2019
Here's how The Citadel could secure at least a share of its fifth SoCon title, third in five years and second under Thompson:

The Citadel must win the rest of its games, starting Saturday against Mercer (3-4, 2-2) in the Bulldogs' homecoming game. That's followed by games at ETSU (2-5, 0-4) and Chattanooga (4-3, 3-0) before the regular-season finale against Wofford on Nov. 23. A three-game win streak to set up a showdown with Wofford doesn't seem impossible, given how the Bulldogs played against Furman.
If The Citadel wins out, it needs Chattanooga to lose at least one more SoCon game. Chattanooga's 3-0 start in the SoCon has been built against teams (Western Carolina, Mercer and ETSU) that are 2-10 in league play. The Mocs still have to play Wofford, Furman, Samford and VMI (a combined 11-6 in league play) in addition to The Citadel.
The Furman vs. Wofford throwdown is set for Nov. 16 in Spartanburg. One team or the other will be handed at least its second SoCon loss.
The idea of still having a SoCon shot plays well with the Bulldogs, who seemed at a low ebb just two weeks ago after losing the Silver Shako to military school rival VMI. The Citadel has never won the SoCon title in the same year it lost the coveted Shako.

"It gives us a a little extra edge," said senior linebacker Phil Davis. "It adds more fuel for us, knowing that we played a very solid game against the No. 8 team in the nation. And when we go back and look at the film, we still left a lot of plays out there. We can still do a lot of things better."

Of course, seven of the nine teams in the SoCon can claim to still be in the hunt. Only ETSU and Western Carolina (0-4) are out of it.

"It's very similar to our 2015 run," Thompson said, recalling the Bulldogs' SoCon title when he was offensive coordinator under Mike Houston. "We started off the year 2-2, but we kept getting better and at the end of the year we were in that mix.

"It's important for our guys. We want to be able to continue to play for something, and really at this point, just about everybody is in the mix."

SoCon honors

Two Citadel players earned SoCon player of the week honors after the Furman game.

Linebacker Marquise Blount won the defensive award for the second week in a row. The 6-3, 223-pound sophomore had six tackles, 1½ tackles for loss and a crucial strip-sack that set up the Bulldogs' third TD for a 21-3 lead.

STRIP SACK BLOUNT!Greene IV with the recovery!#FireThoseCannons | #BeatFurman pic.twitter.com/xRWnBxxTme

— The Citadel Football (@CitadelFootball) October 19, 2019
Kicker Jacob Godek won the special teams honor, making field goals of 30 and 46 yards into a driving rain in the final five minutes of the game. He also made all three extra points and had four touchbacks in six kickoffs.

Mercer QB

Mercer quarterback Robert Riddle suffered a serious leg injury in the Bears' 34-27 win over VMI last week and won't play against The Citadel. Both teams gathered around Riddle in an emotional scene before he was carried off the field.

“I have been coaching a long time. That might be the toughest injury I have seen,” Mercer coach Bobby Lamb said afterwards. “Both teams getting around him was really special. Because it’s really what the game is all about. It is a team game.”

Can’t say enough about @CoachSWach and @VMI_Football for their response to @robertriddleiii injury. First Class! Football is a brotherhood even among opposing teams. pic.twitter.com/yuGi3iUuqM

— Bobby Lamb (@bobby_lamb) October 21, 2019
Backup QB Kaelan Riley, a former SoCon freshman of the year, finished out the VMI game and is likely to start against The Citadel. He was Mercer's QB when the Bears took a 24-14 victory over The Citadel at Johnson Hagood Stadium in 2017, going 12 of 23 for 111 yards and no TDs or interceptions.

[The Jackal]

Again, stop posting full content of other people's writing.