Chas Southern game notes

[DungeonRealm]

the charts are in...it really is game week!

https://furmanpaladins.com/documents/20 ... maries.pdf

Good find. How did you find it on the website?

Go to Furman Paladins website, click on 'Football' under the sports tab, then click on 'Links' in the right corner, then click on 'Additional Links' and there you will see it, lol

[The Jackal]

I think I was most surprised by Dillon Vann starting at BANDIT over Davonte Porter. Wasn't surprised that Hope is still a pass rush specialist.

Looks like we have 9 Freshman (4 on O and 5 on D) that will likely be losing their RS (at least as Freshman)

OL - Jumper, Johanning and Toomey
RB - Wayne Anderson
LB - Josh Agbenou
CB - Cally Chizik and Kam Brinson
S's - Austin Jones and Hugh Ryan

Yep. That's more what I meant when I (my mistake - I didn't articulate it very well) said that we were a year away.. still a few too many Fr on the field. Not that the team is a year away.. I meant we were a few guys from being full-on depth. We are way ahead of where we were. when CH arrived !!! just still about one class shy of full depth. CH said the same the other day in an interview or somewhere.. probably should be about 4/5 Fr a year. 9 is a little high. Maybe we can use the 4 game rule with some of these guys possibly ?

I look at it this way. This team won a SoCon title last season. There are guys on the roster that played a lot of football for a title-winning team last season.

If a freshman makes the depth chart, to me, that says more about the freshman than the depth chart. Outside of maybe safety, we know we have depth.

[gofurman]

I think I was most surprised by Dillon Vann starting at BANDIT over Davonte Porter. Wasn't surprised that Hope is still a pass rush specialist.

Looks like we have 9 Freshman (4 on O and 5 on D) that will likely be losing their RS (at least as Freshman)

OL - Jumper, Johanning and Toomey
RB - Wayne Anderson
LB - Josh Agbenou
CB - Cally Chizik and Kam Brinson
S's - Austin Jones and Hugh Ryan

Yep. That's more what I meant when I (my mistake - I didn't articulate it very well) said that we were a year away.. still a few too many Fr on the field. Not that the team is a year away.. I meant we were a few guys from being full-on depth. We are way ahead of where we were. when CH arrived !!! just still about one class shy of full depth. CH said the same the other day in an interview or somewhere.. probably should be about 4/5 Fr a year. 9 is a little high. Maybe we can use the 4 game rule with some of these guys possibly ?

I look at it this way. This team won a SoCon title last season. There are guys on the roster that played a lot of football for a title-winning team last season.

If a freshman makes the depth chart, to me, that says more about the freshman than the depth chart. Outside of maybe safety, we know we have depth.

right, I hear you.. but CH said the same as what I am saying - the other day in one of the interviews or articles .. something to the effect of 'really good recruiting but probably a year away from being able to redshirt a few more'
That's all. WAY better than 2017... i agree it's probably mainly Safety and a little OL - those are great OL recruits ! but those two positions account for a lot of the Freshman.

[gofurman]

What's happened to DeJuan Bell? - not on two deep and noticed he wasn't mentioned by Bratton in his interview on the WR corps.

I assume he is. He is a fast guy ! though last year they listed him as the 3rd Flanker - now he's not listed which is a little odd considering they list 3 guys at other placaes like TE and TB and NG. That's the only thing I found odd - why list 3 guys at other positions but not Flanker w Bell?

But he is on roster online and so not to be an alarmist this is from interview w Hendrix " Zach Peterson (6-2, 187, R-Fr.) and Dejuan Bell (5-9, 160, So.) - are two players who could figure into the mix.

"Zach's a second year guy who looks like he could contribute, and Dejaun gives us another guy at "z" who was primarily a special teams player last year."

[AstroDin]

Those of us who spend far too much time following recruiting felt like the 2019 class was a very good class. And people who get paid to rank recruiting felt it was a top twenty class (16th). I thought Furman was ranked low, my reason Wayne Anderson wasn't ranked in the top 300 by Hero Sports.

Jumper - came in early, gained weight and it seems has lived up to the hype (12 offers from FBS).

Toomey and Johanning - I had the pleasure to watch Jake play at SJCS. He was a man among boys. His position coach Eric Nash (former Wofford OL coach) and Jon Wheeler (former linebackers coach Wofford) told me he could play at Furman or Wofford right away. Toomey committed to Army, changed his mind and signed with Furman. The guy has a nasty streak and is strong. My guess these guys are the prototype of what Clay and Pete are looking for in offensive linemen. We knew Furman needed some of these young linemen to step up and build depth.

Josh Agbenou - someone told me before I saw him in uniform - you look at Josh and say - why is he here, Agbenou looks like an FBS linebacker, a trim 6-2 230, he's physically imposing. This didn't surprise me, but get ready, we have more linebacking studs coming in next year.

Jones and Ryan - I think a lot of people slept on these two. Jones was a top 300 ranked recruit (12 offers) enrolled early and played well in the spring. Jones comes in with the ability to be a backup, play special teams and he can be a backup receiver. We all better feel lucky to have Hugh Ryan. For him, it came down to Furman and Wofford. I'm stunned he was so underrated. If you watched him play at Dutch Fork he was the man in the defensive backfield, in the Shrine Bowl he was supposed to be the odd man out in the Sandlapper backfield. Ryan IMO was the star in a heralded defensive backfield (seven tackles, one sack).

Chizik and Brinson - 1st team AJC and 1st team Alabama Sportswriters, tells me you must be pretty good.

And that leaves us with Wayne Anderson. The only reason I can think that Anderson wasn't listed on the top 300 recruiting list - is he was listed as a junior a defensive back recruit. With the retirement of Morehead, the door was left open for Anderson. GF will jump on this - Anderson would benefit a redshirt he's around 185 I big by next season he's over 190. But that's not going to happen - Anderson is the KOR.

I chalk all this to excellent recruiting, and I don't think it's over. The 2020 recruits will come in and challenge. The coaches want this, its how Furman will get better.

[gofurman]

Those of us who spend far too much time following recruiting felt like the 2019 class was a very good class. And people who get paid to rank recruiting felt it was a top twenty class (16th). I thought Furman was ranked low, my reason Wayne Anderson wasn't ranked in the top 300 by Hero Sports.

Jumper - came in early, gained weight and it seems has lived up to the hype (12 offers from FBS).

Toomey and Johanning - I had the pleasure to watch Jake play at SJCS. He was a man among boys. His position coach Eric Nash (former Wofford OL coach) and Jon Wheeler (former linebackers coach Wofford) told me he could play at Furman or Wofford right away. Toomey committed to Army, changed his mind and signed with Furman. The guy has a nasty streak and is strong. My guess these guys are the prototype of what Clay and Pete are looking for in offensive linemen. We knew Furman needed some of these young linemen to step up and build depth.

Josh Agbenou - someone told me before I saw him in uniform - you look at Josh and say - why is he here, Agbenou looks like an FBS linebacker, a trim 6-2 230, he's physically imposing. This didn't surprise me, but get ready, we have more linebacking studs coming in next year.

Jones and Ryan - I think a lot of people slept on these two. Jones was a top 300 ranked recruit (12 offers) enrolled early and played well in the spring. Jones comes in with the ability to be a backup, play special teams and he can be a backup receiver. We all better feel lucky to have Hugh Ryan. For him, it came down to Furman and Wofford. I'm stunned he was so underrated. If you watched him play at Dutch Fork he was the man in the defensive backfield, in the Shrine Bowl he was supposed to be the odd man out in the Sandlapper backfield. Ryan IMO was the star in a heralded defensive backfield (seven tackles, one sack).

Chizik and Brinson - 1st team AJC and 1st team Alabama Sportswriters, tells me you must be pretty good.

And that leaves us with Wayne Anderson. The only reason I can think that Anderson wasn't listed on the top 300 recruiting list - is he was listed as a junior a defensive back recruit. With the retirement of Morehead, the door was left open for Anderson. GF will jump on this - Anderson would benefit a redshirt he's around 185 I big by next season he's over 190. But that's not going to happen - Anderson is the KOR.

I chalk all this to excellent recruiting, and I don't think it's over. The 2020 recruits will come in and challenge. The coaches want this, its how Furman will get better.

Astro, I am not going to jump on you. You know a lot more than me. Was just saying I heard CH say something to the effect of what I am saying the other day - they definitely want competition! Just perhaps one year away from where these FR may lose a few more of those competitions ... that's all (I paraphrase greatly with that). was in some article or interview

Now, all that said, I would be interested to see North Dakota State's two deep and how many true Fr play there ?

[The Jackal]

Those of us who spend far too much time following recruiting felt like the 2019 class was a very good class. And people who get paid to rank recruiting felt it was a top twenty class (16th). I thought Furman was ranked low, my reason Wayne Anderson wasn't ranked in the top 300 by Hero Sports.

Jumper - came in early, gained weight and it seems has lived up to the hype (12 offers from FBS).

Toomey and Johanning - I had the pleasure to watch Jake play at SJCS. He was a man among boys. His position coach Eric Nash (former Wofford OL coach) and Jon Wheeler (former linebackers coach Wofford) told me he could play at Furman or Wofford right away. Toomey committed to Army, changed his mind and signed with Furman. The guy has a nasty streak and is strong. My guess these guys are the prototype of what Clay and Pete are looking for in offensive linemen. We knew Furman needed some of these young linemen to step up and build depth.

Josh Agbenou - someone told me before I saw him in uniform - you look at Josh and say - why is he here, Agbenou looks like an FBS linebacker, a trim 6-2 230, he's physically imposing. This didn't surprise me, but get ready, we have more linebacking studs coming in next year.

Jones and Ryan - I think a lot of people slept on these two. Jones was a top 300 ranked recruit (12 offers) enrolled early and played well in the spring. Jones comes in with the ability to be a backup, play special teams and he can be a backup receiver. We all better feel lucky to have Hugh Ryan. For him, it came down to Furman and Wofford. I'm stunned he was so underrated. If you watched him play at Dutch Fork he was the man in the defensive backfield, in the Shrine Bowl he was supposed to be the odd man out in the Sandlapper backfield. Ryan IMO was the star in a heralded defensive backfield (seven tackles, one sack).

Chizik and Brinson - 1st team AJC and 1st team Alabama Sportswriters, tells me you must be pretty good.

And that leaves us with Wayne Anderson. The only reason I can think that Anderson wasn't listed on the top 300 recruiting list - is he was listed as a junior a defensive back recruit. With the retirement of Morehead, the door was left open for Anderson. GF will jump on this - Anderson would benefit a redshirt he's around 185 I big by next season he's over 190. But that's not going to happen - Anderson is the KOR.

I chalk all this to excellent recruiting, and I don't think it's over. The 2020 recruits will come in and challenge. The coaches want this, its how Furman will get better.

Astro, I am not going to jump on you. You know a lot more than me. Was just saying I heard CH say something to the effect of what I am saying the other day - they definitely want competition! Just perhaps one year away from where these FR may lose a few more of those competitions ... that's all (I paraphrase greatly with that). was in some article or interview

Now, all that said, I would be interested to see North Dakota State's two deep and how many true Fr play there ?

Every coach would like to redshirt the most players they can. Sometimes you can't.

Get the best 11 you can on both sides of the ball and go play. At no position, though, is a true freshman really THE guy. They all have older players in their position groups to learn from.

A year or two away from being able redshirt most of their players isn't the same thing as being a year or two away from taking a step up as a nationally relevant program. Both can be true.

After the last two seasons, no one is going to buy "we were young."

[AstroDin]

NDSU
On offense three freshmen on two deep, starting QB a redshirt freshman. On defense three freshmen on two deep no starters.
Nine seniors starters.

[AstroDin]

Wofford
Ten freshmen on two deep. One freshman starting. 14 seniors on two deep all starters.
Woah! Wofford will have a lot of starter shoes to fill in 2020.

[gofurman]

NDSU
On offense three freshmen on two deep, starting QB a redshirt freshman. On defense three freshmen on two deep no starters.
Nine seniors starters.

right - this is the youngest NDSU team in 5-7 years (I am sure you guys know that - they graduated a TON last year.. thus all the articles about 'can NDSU repeat with only 7 returning starters) and they still have a team that when you look deeper it's really redshirt freshman as the backups I think.

"Wilson is one of the few returning starters for the Bison, who are replacing eight players on offense and seven on defense from a team that won the school’s seventh national championship in seven years. - so they lost FIFTEEN starters and still start less freshman.. FARGO, N.D.

The most dominant team in the history of the Football Championship Subdivision has had turnovers in so many places — head coach, assistant coaches, quarterback and nearly 70% of its starting lineup.

Read more here: https://www.newsobserver.com/sports/art ... rylink=cpy

Read more here: https://www.newsobserver.com/sports/art ... rylink=cpy

[gofurman]

Wofford
Ten freshmen on two deep. One freshman starting. 14 seniors on two deep all starters.
Woah! Wofford will have a lot of starter shoes to fill in 2020.

anyway, I'll get off of NDSU for now. It's only the 3rd year for CH !

Astro, yep. People say Conklin is doing a great job and he is doing well but I think we will know more next year - they have 14 seniors starting this year (about 7 on O and 7 on D) - though one of those wouldn't be starting if Horton was in I think... but your point about Wofford is valid. I am waiting to see Wofford next year

and yes, I agree - we aren't 'young' but we aren't 'old' when 9 of 11 offense starters could return should they choose to. Wofford is old w 14 seniors starting and that to me would be a lil scary as a Woff fan for 2020. And that's good for us !

[AstroDin]

Wofford
Ten freshmen on two deep. One freshman starting. 14 seniors on two deep all starters.
Woah! Wofford will have a lot of starter shoes to fill in 2020.

anyway, I'll get off of NDSU for now. It's only the 3rd year for CH !

Astro, yep. People say Conklin is doing a great job and he is doing well but I think we will know more next year - they have 14 seniors starting this year (about 7 on O and 7 on D) - though one of those wouldn't be starting if Horton was in I think... but your point about Wofford is valid. I am waiting to see Wofford next year

your not the only one wondering if the days of Wofford reloading are over - next year will be Conklin's year. In year three of the CCH era, we can see what type of team coach is building towards. Really curious how that will stack up against the SoCon and if they start making adjustments.

Furman is getting bigger and not sacrificing athletic skill. And the incoming speed is impressive. Good times!

[apaladin]

the charts are in...it really is game week!

https://furmanpaladins.com/documents/20 ... maries.pdf

Good find. How did you find it on the website?

Go to Furman Paladins website, click on 'Football' under the sports tab, then click on 'Links' in the right corner, then click on 'Additional Links' and there you will see it, lol

Dang I wonder why they decided to hide it this year? Last year it would come up as a story when you went to the the website which is the way it should be. Beginning to not like the new website. First no practice reports, now no pregame stories that unless you hunt for it. Not user friendly at all, especially for people that don't visit often. Wonder if they will do game stories/results?

[gofurman]

I’ll agree the website isn’t perfect. I had to hunt the game notes too. Much More importantly i don’t think there is a picture of our nice facilities / weight room?

[Purpleglasses]

Does Charleston Southern have fans at all?
I cant find any message board, or anything on them.
I'd like to see how they are feeling about the new coach and system etc., and what they think of us opening the season.
You would think that if there were fans, they would be excited going into the season, and be talking about it.