Buying Wins

[dinhead]

Last year NCAA D-1 teams had a 441-6 record vs non-D-1 competition. Here are the losses:

William Carey over Southern Mississippi - This violated the cardinal rule of non- D-1 scheduling. Never under any circumstances play a top NAIA D-1 team. They have top D-1 prospects that don't meet the NCAA's so called "academic standards"

St. Edwards (TX) over UTSA- Cardinal rule #2 never play a top ranked D-2 team. #4 in the nation in D-2 had to be favored in this one. Their summer trip this year was to Australia to play 4 pro teams. Red flag !

Loyola (LA) over McNeese St.- Another NAIA nightmare. Couple that with a local rivalry and you might be looking for a new AD.

Lincoln (PA) over Morgan St.- Don't mess with D-2 schools from Pennsylvania

NW Nazarone over Idaho- Idaho basketball ?

Fayetteville St. over UNC-Asheville- Not even a good loss for a Big South "bottom feeder".

The top 100 teams in the NET final rankings were a combined 39-0 with the four SoCon teams accounting for more than 25% of the total wins at 10-0.

[dinhead]

Last year NCAA D-1 teams had a 441-6 record vs non-D-1 competition. Here are the losses:

William Carey over Southern Mississippi - This violated the cardinal rule of non- D-1 scheduling. Never under any circumstances play a top NAIA D-1 team. They have top D-1 prospects that don't meet the NCAA's so called "academic standards"

St. Edwards (TX) over UTSA- Cardinal rule #2 never play a top ranked D-2 team. #4 in the nation in D-2 had to be favored in this one. Their summer trip this year was to Australia to play 4 pro teams. Red flag !

Loyola (LA) over McNeese St.- Another NAIA nightmare. Couple that with a local rivalry and you might be looking for a new AD.

Lincoln (PA) over Morgan St.- Don't mess with D-2 schools from Pennsylvania

NW Nazarone over Idaho- Idaho basketball ?

Fayetteville St. over UNC-Asheville- Not even a good loss for a Big South "bottom feeder".

The top 100 teams in the NET final rankings were a combined 39-0 with the four SoCon teams accounting for more than 25% of the total wins at 10-0.

Furman played three non- D-1 games last year:

Bob Jones University; Just recently started basketball. Not in the NCAA or NAIA.

North Greenville: D-2 Crusaders went 4-20 and gave up 144 points against The Citadel. D-2 Southern Weslyan was 2-28 including a 90-52 loss to VMI. We're talking about schools who's best wins are against Pensacola Christian College !

[furpop16]

@dinhead: you make a good case that this is all taking candy from a baby. But isn’t the flip-side of this a strong ranking from KenPom and the NET? Not to mention an NIT berth and an arguable near-miss at an NCAA berth? Same for the other three SoCon top-100 teams.

Isn’t the “buying wins” argument also arguing with success?

[apaladin]

@dinhead: you make a good case that this is all taking candy from a baby. But isn’t the flip-side of this a strong ranking from KenPom and the NET? Not to mention an NIT berth and an arguable near-miss at an NCAA berth? Same for the other three SoCon top-100 teams.

Isn’t the “buying wins” argument also arguing with success?

Not really, since none of those "wins" are considered in the KenPom, NET or any other rankings as far as I know.

[furpop16]

@dinhead: you make a good case that this is all taking candy from a baby. But isn’t the flip-side of this a strong ranking from KenPom and the NET? Not to mention an NIT berth and an arguable near-miss at an NCAA berth? Same for the other three SoCon top-100 teams.

Isn’t the “buying wins” argument also arguing with success?

Not really, since none of those "wins" are considered in the KenPom, NET or any other rankings as far as I know.

Zactly my point - we were good because we were good, not because of artificial wins. As CBR said, it’s about player development, team development, etc.; all the things that set the team up for overall success in March.

Could the SoCon-4 in general, and Furman in particular, have achieved last year’s success without all those candy-games? Isn’t there an argument those games were a key factor in overall player & team development - and by extension a key reason why we were good?

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Great discussions here.

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[fufanatic]

Last year NCAA D-1 teams had a 441-6 record vs non-D-1 competition. Here are the losses:

William Carey over Southern Mississippi - This violated the cardinal rule of non- D-1 scheduling. Never under any circumstances play a top NAIA D-1 team. They have top D-1 prospects that don't meet the NCAA's so called "academic standards"

St. Edwards (TX) over UTSA- Cardinal rule #2 never play a top ranked D-2 team. #4 in the nation in D-2 had to be favored in this one. Their summer trip this year was to Australia to play 4 pro teams. Red flag !

Loyola (LA) over McNeese St.- Another NAIA nightmare. Couple that with a local rivalry and you might be looking for a new AD.

Lincoln (PA) over Morgan St.- Don't mess with D-2 schools from Pennsylvania

NW Nazarone over Idaho- Idaho basketball ?

Fayetteville St. over UNC-Asheville- Not even a good loss for a Big South "bottom feeder".

The top 100 teams in the NET final rankings were a combined 39-0 with the four SoCon teams accounting for more than 25% of the total wins at 10-0.

Furman played three non- D-1 games last year:

Bob Jones University; Just recently started basketball. Not in the NCAA or NAIA.

North Greenville: D-2 Crusaders went 4-20 and gave up 144 points against The Citadel. D-2 Southern Weslyan was 2-28 including a 90-52 loss to VMI. We're talking about schools who's best wins are against Pensacola Christian College !

Pretty remarkable that not only do we pick non-D1 opponents, but we pick really bad non-D1 opponents. But it does make sense that playing elite non-D1s doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Nothing good can come from it.

[gman]

Last year NCAA D-1 teams had a 441-6 record vs non-D-1 competition. Here are the losses:

William Carey over Southern Mississippi - This violated the cardinal rule of non- D-1 scheduling. Never under any circumstances play a top NAIA D-1 team. They have top D-1 prospects that don't meet the NCAA's so called "academic standards"

St. Edwards (TX) over UTSA- Cardinal rule #2 never play a top ranked D-2 team. #4 in the nation in D-2 had to be favored in this one. Their summer trip this year was to Australia to play 4 pro teams. Red flag !

Loyola (LA) over McNeese St.- Another NAIA nightmare. Couple that with a local rivalry and you might be looking for a new AD.

Lincoln (PA) over Morgan St.- Don't mess with D-2 schools from Pennsylvania

NW Nazarone over Idaho- Idaho basketball ?

Fayetteville St. over UNC-Asheville- Not even a good loss for a Big South "bottom feeder".

The top 100 teams in the NET final rankings were a combined 39-0 with the four SoCon teams accounting for more than 25% of the total wins at 10-0.

Furman played three non- D-1 games last year:

Bob Jones University; Just recently started basketball. Not in the NCAA or NAIA.

North Greenville: D-2 Crusaders went 4-20 and gave up 144 points against The Citadel. D-2 Southern Weslyan was 2-28 including a 90-52 loss to VMI. We're talking about schools who's best wins are against Pensacola Christian College !

Pretty remarkable that not only do we pick non-D1 opponents, but we pick really bad non-D1 opponents. But it does make sense that playing elite non-D1s doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Nothing good can come from it.

Nothing good? I thought the amount of national press we got out of last years North Greenville game was tremendous.

[fufanatic]

Last year NCAA D-1 teams had a 441-6 record vs non-D-1 competition. Here are the losses:

William Carey over Southern Mississippi - This violated the cardinal rule of non- D-1 scheduling. Never under any circumstances play a top NAIA D-1 team. They have top D-1 prospects that don't meet the NCAA's so called "academic standards"

St. Edwards (TX) over UTSA- Cardinal rule #2 never play a top ranked D-2 team. #4 in the nation in D-2 had to be favored in this one. Their summer trip this year was to Australia to play 4 pro teams. Red flag !

Loyola (LA) over McNeese St.- Another NAIA nightmare. Couple that with a local rivalry and you might be looking for a new AD.

Lincoln (PA) over Morgan St.- Don't mess with D-2 schools from Pennsylvania

NW Nazarone over Idaho- Idaho basketball ?

Fayetteville St. over UNC-Asheville- Not even a good loss for a Big South "bottom feeder".

The top 100 teams in the NET final rankings were a combined 39-0 with the four SoCon teams accounting for more than 25% of the total wins at 10-0.

Furman played three non- D-1 games last year:

Bob Jones University; Just recently started basketball. Not in the NCAA or NAIA.

North Greenville: D-2 Crusaders went 4-20 and gave up 144 points against The Citadel. D-2 Southern Weslyan was 2-28 including a 90-52 loss to VMI. We're talking about schools who's best wins are against Pensacola Christian College !

Pretty remarkable that not only do we pick non-D1 opponents, but we pick really bad non-D1 opponents. But it does make sense that playing elite non-D1s doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Nothing good can come from it.

Nothing good? I thought the amount of national press we got out of last years North Greenville game was tremendous.

Reread what I said. Nothing good can come of scheduling elite DII, DIII or NAIA teams. Which we clearly aren't doing based on the records of those teams last year. I agree the publicity following the North Greenville game was outstanding, and worth playing the game, although you can't count on that every year.