Hoping there is a chance on seeing a Furman football game in the fall of 2021. I have to agree with Urban Meyer that playing two seasons in one year would almost be impossible, only way i could see it happening would be to play to shortened schedules for both spring and fall, i would hate to see that . Really disappointed that SoCon cancelled fall football this year. I attended a Greenville Triumph soccer match this past Saturday and all fans had their temperature taken at the gate and wore masks inside the venue, at least a 1,000 fans in attendance. Of course there is more contact in a football game but these soccer players make contact and no player wore a mask. On a sidenote, i know its their right but it was very disheartening to see the Geenville team take a knee during the playing of the National Anthem, just me but i don't see what that proves.
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Interesting thoughtsNEPA wrote: ↑Mon Aug 17, 2020 8:14 amHoping there is a chance on seeing a Furman football game in the fall of 2021. I have to agree with Urban Meyer that playing two seasons in one year would almost be impossible, only way i could see it happening would be to play to shortened schedules for both spring and fall, i would hate to see that . Really disappointed that SoCon cancelled fall football this year. I attended a Greenville Triumph soccer match this past Saturday and all fans had their temperature taken at the gate and wore masks inside the venue, at least a 1,000 fans in attendance. Of course there is more contact in a football game but these soccer players make contact and no player wore a mask. On a sidenote, i know its their right but it was very disheartening to see the Geenville team take a knee during the playing of the National Anthem, just me but i don't see what that proves.
FUBeAR hates that he feels this way, but doesn’t think we’ll see a ‘normal’ Furman Football season until 2022, if then. That is, UNLESS, A LOT of people (NCAA, University Administrators (not just FU’s...all of ‘em), Conference Officials, and in some case, University Athletics Administrators) stop ‘kneeling’ to media opinions, fear of frivolous litigation, (more) popular “science” (vs. less popular, but significant science & statistics), and just a general demeanor of fear & cowardice that has fairly suddenly permeated our collective American psyche. We will see if our previously renowned fortitude returns or not. If not, we may never see College Football, at anything other than P5 level again...and maybe not at all.
Just a comment about the Greenville Triumph Players kneeling. FUBeAR, too, would be disappointed to see that, but is, and, hopefully, always will be, completely elated that, in this country, they have the ABSOLUTE right to have an opinion & express that opinion in such a manner.
However, I’m not so sure that great American differentiator isn’t nearing an end also.
I have shaken my head as I have seen Freedom of Speech compromised by so-called “Hate Speech Laws” in Western Europe. https://www.hoover.org/research/sordid ... peech-laws So far, as recently as 2017, the US Supreme Court has struck down such infringement here, but we can all see (even if we want to pretend that we don’t) that tide turning.
We need to let those Soccer Players kneel & we need to let the Proud Boys march in Kalamazoo & we need to let the NotF’inAround Coalition march with their AK47’s in Stone Mountain.
And people, who think we need to (gender-biasedly stated) MAN UP & play Football, should be able to express those opinions LOUDLY & PROUDLY, and even act upon them, particularly if they are in positions of responsibility to make those decisions, instead of cowering behind the ‘concerns’ of those that they are supposed to be LEADING...or kicking the can down the road to avoid being ‘cancelled.’...yet.
#FUATT
We few, we happy few, we band of brothers,
For he today who sheds his blood with me shall be my brother
For he today who sheds his blood with me shall be my brother
Well, here you go. Freshman report in just a few days ago and first freshman has just been diagnosed with Covid-19. Student has been sent home already. Now, really, what in God’s name is the reason all of you want to have Paladins play football this fall?
Saw many Furman students in TR this weekend. No masks, no social distancing. Fall sports need to pack it in. Hopefully they can play in the spring. Meanwhile most of those athletes are getting a free Furman education!
Saw many Furman students in TR this weekend. No masks, no social distancing. Fall sports need to pack it in. Hopefully they can play in the spring. Meanwhile most of those athletes are getting a free Furman education!
Man you really are scared. FU football had a few cases according to CCH but handled them well. Ok so A student tested positive, prolly has no symptoms nor will they have. Worst case they feel bad a few days. Very possible a false positive. Please stop the hysteria/fear every time the words “positive” or “case” is heard. The latest stats show everything is trending downward in reference to Covid. That’s is good.furpep wrote: ↑Mon Aug 17, 2020 1:32 pmWell, here you go. Freshman report in just a few days ago and first freshman has just been diagnosed with Covid-19. Student has been sent home already. Now, really, what in God’s name is the reason all of you want to have Paladins play football this fall?
Saw many Furman students in TR this weekend. No masks, no social distancing. Fall sports need to pack it in. Hopefully they can play in the spring. Meanwhile most of those athletes are getting a free Furman education!
We have it totally under control. It’s one person coming in from another state. We have it under control. It’s going to be just fine.apaladin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 17, 2020 3:00 pmMan you really are scared. FU football had a few cases according to CCH but handled them well. Ok so A student tested positive, prolly has no symptoms nor will they have. Worst case they feel bad a few days. Very possible a false positive. Please stop the hysteria/fear every time the words “positive” or “case” is heard. The latest stats show everything is trending downward in reference to Covid. That’s is good.furpep wrote: ↑Mon Aug 17, 2020 1:32 pmWell, here you go. Freshman report in just a few days ago and first freshman has just been diagnosed with Covid-19. Student has been sent home already. Now, really, what in God’s name is the reason all of you want to have Paladins play football this fall?
Saw many Furman students in TR this weekend. No masks, no social distancing. Fall sports need to pack it in. Hopefully they can play in the spring. Meanwhile most of those athletes are getting a free Furman education!
When it gets warmer it will just go away.
Maybe the disconnect is that some aren’t familiar with how risk assessment usually works. You look at additional risk above a baseline. For instance the MCL or primary drinking water standard for benzene is 5 micrograms/liter based on a 1/1,000,000 risk of ADDITIONAL cancers, usually leukemia. But we can clean every bit of benzene out of your water and you will STILL be at risk of cancer from some other cause. If the water causes no additional cancer risk, you can drink it.
As everyone is pointing out, and as some of us have been saying for months, the baseline risk of catching Covid for non football students is high. The ADDITIONAL risk for football players would appear to be trivial or nonexistent. IF there is a season, they live with monitored and tested players, spend the afternoon outside with those same safe players, study with them and the sleep. Some time during the day, they go to class with everybody else. That is a big risk but that is baseline. It doesn’t factor into a play/ don’t play decision rule. They may engage in a great deal of physical contact depending on position and coaching style but all of this is done with people who just tested negative.
Their level of activity would increase the tiny chance of heart failure from myocarditis. But redundant controls should prevent that. Unlike a student running the lake, they are frequently tested for Covid and tested for myocarditis if needed. It takes a double failure of testing to put them at a small risk.
It seems obvious that the baseline risk is very close to or higher than the risk to an in season athlete. The number of students living it up in TR (weird concept) has absolutely no bearing on whether or not to play sports.
As everyone is pointing out, and as some of us have been saying for months, the baseline risk of catching Covid for non football students is high. The ADDITIONAL risk for football players would appear to be trivial or nonexistent. IF there is a season, they live with monitored and tested players, spend the afternoon outside with those same safe players, study with them and the sleep. Some time during the day, they go to class with everybody else. That is a big risk but that is baseline. It doesn’t factor into a play/ don’t play decision rule. They may engage in a great deal of physical contact depending on position and coaching style but all of this is done with people who just tested negative.
Their level of activity would increase the tiny chance of heart failure from myocarditis. But redundant controls should prevent that. Unlike a student running the lake, they are frequently tested for Covid and tested for myocarditis if needed. It takes a double failure of testing to put them at a small risk.
It seems obvious that the baseline risk is very close to or higher than the risk to an in season athlete. The number of students living it up in TR (weird concept) has absolutely no bearing on whether or not to play sports.
Don’t put the athlete before the student
You thoroughly explained that students can be infected and transmit at a higher rate.
The athletes are also students. No one in charge is going to give athletes better conditions and testing and play a season for money just to leave the student population in the rain.
Furman is an educational institute that wants to educate students and give them the degree they deserve.
You thoroughly explained that students can be infected and transmit at a higher rate.
The athletes are also students. No one in charge is going to give athletes better conditions and testing and play a season for money just to leave the student population in the rain.
Furman is an educational institute that wants to educate students and give them the degree they deserve.
I could go into great depth in responding to this, but I’ll simply say the truth and provide 1 comparative example.JohnKX512 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 17, 2020 5:42 pmDon’t put the athlete before the student
You thoroughly explained that students can be infected and transmit at a higher rate.
The athletes are also students. No one in charge is going to give athletes better conditions and testing and play a season for money just to leave the student population in the rain.
Furman is an educational institute that wants to educate students and give them the degree they deserve.
Truth
Student Athletes at Furman & almost every non-D3 school ARE treated differently than non-Student Athletes.
Example
If Johnny Narp falls down trying to throw someone in the lake on their B’Day (I would imagine this tradition has been banned for safety reasons) and tears his ACL, what happens? He may go to FU Student Health & they may refer him to a local Ortho, but, most likely, he is going to his own Ortho back in Bishopville to get his surgery (and his Insurance will be primary and fully responsible) and he may have access to the PAC for some self-directed rehab, etc. when he returns.
If FUBeAR III tears his ACL trying to cut off a bellhop LB, what happens? He is going to have a top-flight training staff provide immediate attention, Team-approved Ortho’s are (most likely) going to do the surgery (with FU Football’s insurance paying for ANY & ALL charges above III’s insurance (including deductible)) and his recovery / rehab is going to be closely managed by that training staff & FU’s top-flight S&C staff in constant consultation with the Ortho...and III will have full access to top-flight rehab facilities specifically designed for this type of injury. He will be monitored daily for months and he will be custom fitted with the best prophylactic devices to prevent re-injury.
See any “better conditions” there?
Yet - your assertion is that Athletes must not be treated differently when it comes to Covid. Um...why not?
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We few, we happy few, we band of brothers,
For he today who sheds his blood with me shall be my brother
For he today who sheds his blood with me shall be my brother
Wait a damn minute. Now we’re worried that the athletes might experience an unfair level of enhanced safety?
Finally an announcement:
https://furmanpaladins.com/news/2020/8/ ... ition.aspx
https://furmanpaladins.com/news/2020/8/ ... ition.aspx
“Following thoughtful conversations with our coaches, administrators, and medical professionals...”apaladin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 17, 2020 8:00 pmFinally an announcement:
https://furmanpaladins.com/news/2020/8/ ... ition.aspx
Assuming “administrators” is a euphemism for “lawyers”...
As SC, NC and Ga Covid numbers continue downward.
....and it is nice to know that Furman’s “medical professionals” know more than the ones at Duke.Paul C wrote: ↑Mon Aug 17, 2020 10:58 pm“Following thoughtful conversations with our coaches, administrators, and medical professionals...”apaladin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 17, 2020 8:00 pmFinally an announcement:
https://furmanpaladins.com/news/2020/8/ ... ition.aspx
Assuming “administrators” is a euphemism for “lawyers”...
What's interesting about the decision is there was no vote among the Presidents.Paul C wrote: ↑Mon Aug 17, 2020 10:58 pm“Following thoughtful conversations with our coaches, administrators, and medical professionals...”apaladin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 17, 2020 8:00 pmFinally an announcement:
https://furmanpaladins.com/news/2020/8/ ... ition.aspx
Assuming “administrators” is a euphemism for “lawyers”...