The Unofficial Furman Football Page

Davemeister wrote: ↑

Thu Jun 20, 2024 3:51 pm

So far all announced Home Kickoffs have been 2:00. I expect the UT-C game to follow suit. Either Charleston Southern or Stetson will likely be at night.

apaladin wrote: ↑

Thu Jun 20, 2024 8:57 pm

Senior day will be short this year, only 12 on the roster.

The Jackal wrote: ↑

Fri Jun 21, 2024 6:54 am

apaladin wrote: ↑

Thu Jun 20, 2024 8:57 pm

Senior day will be short this year, only 12 on the roster.

I realize your narrative at the moment is that Furman is going to be super young and inexperienced, but as I see it, the roster is just correcting itself back to its pre-COVID state.

For curiosity's sake, I went back and looked at a few random pre-COVID rosters for Furman.

Currently, Furman has 15 seniors and grad students listed on the roster. Of course, the presence of grad students on Furman's roster is a relatively new thing. I do not know how much eligibility each of them has, but last year we accepted several grad students with only one year of eligibility.

In 2017 (Hendrix's first season), Furman had 11 seniors.
In 2018, Furman had 17 seniors.
In 2019, Furman had 16 seniors.

So, in my view, this is pretty much where Furman has typically been in terms of roster construction.

Furman had a unique situation last year where a bunch of guys used extra eligibility to stay and keep playing.

FUBeAR wrote: ↑

Fri Jun 21, 2024 8:19 am

The Jackal wrote: ↑

Fri Jun 21, 2024 6:54 am

apaladin wrote: ↑

Thu Jun 20, 2024 8:57 pm

Senior day will be short this year, only 12 on the roster.

I realize your narrative at the moment is that Furman is going to be super young and inexperienced, but as I see it, the roster is just correcting itself back to its pre-COVID state.

For curiosity's sake, I went back and looked at a few random pre-COVID rosters for Furman.

Currently, Furman has 15 seniors and grad students listed on the roster. Of course, the presence of grad students on Furman's roster is a relatively new thing. I do not know how much eligibility each of them has, but last year we accepted several grad students with only one year of eligibility.

In 2017 (Hendrix's first season), Furman had 11 seniors.
In 2018, Furman had 17 seniors.
In 2019, Furman had 16 seniors.

So, in my view, this is pretty much where Furman has typically been in terms of roster construction.

Furman had a unique situation last year where a bunch of guys used extra eligibility to stay and keep playing.

Yep … Historically & typically, 25 per class enter and 1/3 to 1/2 of those (due to injuries, academics, loss of interest, lack of ability, transfer out, etc.) don’t make it to ‘walk’ on Sr. day. Redshirting, in general, doesn’t really impact that statistic because it, theoretically, happens in more-or-less the same number each year, so those redshirted are ‘carried back’ in ‘normal’ annual numbers.

So …. 25 minus 8-12ish yields a ‘normal’ (non-Covid-buttressed) number of Sr.’s on Sr. Day in the 13-17 range.

FUwolfpacker wrote: ↑

Mon Jun 24, 2024 9:08 am

Just did a quick check so may have missed a couple...

Grad students, RS Seniors, and Seniors per roster:

WCU - 19
Wofford - 19
ETSU - 18
UTC - 17
Mercer - 14
Furman - 13
VMI - 9

Samford and The Citadel rosters still say 2023 and have guys on there I'm pretty sure have graduated and moved on so not sure with them.

FUwolfpacker wrote: ↑

Mon Jun 24, 2024 9:08 am

Just did a quick check so may have missed a couple...

Grad students, RS Seniors, and Seniors per roster:

WCU - 19
Wofford - 19
ETSU - 18
UTC - 17
Mercer - 14
Furman - 13
VMI - 9

Samford and The Citadel rosters still say 2023 and have guys on there I'm pretty sure have graduated and moved on so not sure with them.

apaladin wrote: ↑

Mon Jun 24, 2024 1:04 pm

The FU numbers are a little skewed and others probably are too. FU has 9 senior, rs senior position players plus one kicker. One of the 3 grad players will likely never play. So 11 senior/grad position players. Here is a breakdown by class:
64-Freshmen/RS Freshmen
24-Soph/RS Sophs
17-Junior/RS Juniors
13-Senior/RS Seniors
Only a few, very few of the 88 frosh/soph have played. 81.4% of the roster are frosh/soph.

FUBeAR wrote: ↑

Mon Jun 24, 2024 9:18 am

FUwolfpacker wrote: ↑

Mon Jun 24, 2024 9:08 am

Just did a quick check so may have missed a couple...

Grad students, RS Seniors, and Seniors per roster:

WCU - 19
Wofford - 19
ETSU - 18
UTC - 17
Mercer - 14
Furman - 13
VMI - 9

Samford and The Citadel rosters still say 2023 and have guys on there I'm pretty sure have graduated and moved on so not sure with them.

Average of this solid research (thanks!) is just shy of 16. So, within the FUBeAR-projected ‘normal’ range of 13-17.

So, probably, still some Covid free-year impact pushing that to the higher side of the range. Suspect it will be even closer to the mid-range of 15 next fall…or less, as perhaps some ‘extra’ Covid Players caused numbers in subsequent recruiting classes (‘21 & ‘22) to be slightly reduced, possibly.

The Jackal wrote: ↑

Mon Jun 24, 2024 2:38 pm

apaladin wrote: ↑

Mon Jun 24, 2024 1:04 pm

The FU numbers are a little skewed and others probably are too. FU has 9 senior, rs senior position players plus one kicker. One of the 3 grad players will likely never play. So 11 senior/grad position players. Here is a breakdown by class:
64-Freshmen/RS Freshmen
24-Soph/RS Sophs
17-Junior/RS Juniors
13-Senior/RS Seniors
Only a few, very few of the 88 frosh/soph have played. 81.4% of the roster are frosh/soph.

Assuming your 88 freshman/sophomore number is correct, a full 30 of those players are brand new to the program, either signees or walk-ons. They have not played yet because they haven't even been on the roster yet.

It's also not unique for most of a college football roster to be skewed younger. The largest class is usually freshman (both redshirt and true). As players matriculate through the program, a lot of guys will fall off. That is not unique to Furman.

That leaves 58 players that were actually on Furman's roster last year. You might be surprised to know that, by my count, 43% of those players, give or take, have already registered playing time. A few of them (Jones, Hinton, Chappell, etc.) have registered a lot of playing time and were already starters.

apaladin wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 25, 2024 3:49 am

The Jackal wrote: ↑

Mon Jun 24, 2024 2:38 pm

apaladin wrote: ↑

Mon Jun 24, 2024 1:04 pm

The FU numbers are a little skewed and others probably are too. FU has 9 senior, rs senior position players plus one kicker. One of the 3 grad players will likely never play. So 11 senior/grad position players. Here is a breakdown by class:
64-Freshmen/RS Freshmen
24-Soph/RS Sophs
17-Junior/RS Juniors
13-Senior/RS Seniors
Only a few, very few of the 88 frosh/soph have played. 81.4% of the roster are frosh/soph.

Assuming your 88 freshman/sophomore number is correct, a full 30 of those players are brand new to the program, either signees or walk-ons. They have not played yet because they haven't even been on the roster yet.

It's also not unique for most of a college football roster to be skewed younger. The largest class is usually freshman (both redshirt and true). As players matriculate through the program, a lot of guys will fall off. That is not unique to Furman.

That leaves 58 players that were actually on Furman's roster last year. You might be surprised to know that, by my count, 43% of those players, give or take, have already registered playing time. A few of them (Jones, Hinton, Chappell, etc.) have registered a lot of playing time and were already starters.

Your last sentence is the problem. A few have played a lot but most have not.

The Jackal wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 25, 2024 6:11 am

apaladin wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 25, 2024 3:49 am

The Jackal wrote: ↑

Mon Jun 24, 2024 2:38 pm

apaladin wrote: ↑

Mon Jun 24, 2024 1:04 pm

The FU numbers are a little skewed and others probably are too. FU has 9 senior, rs senior position players plus one kicker. One of the 3 grad players will likely never play. So 11 senior/grad position players. Here is a breakdown by class:
64-Freshmen/RS Freshmen
24-Soph/RS Sophs
17-Junior/RS Juniors
13-Senior/RS Seniors
Only a few, very few of the 88 frosh/soph have played. 81.4% of the roster are frosh/soph.

Assuming your 88 freshman/sophomore number is correct, a full 30 of those players are brand new to the program, either signees or walk-ons. They have not played yet because they haven't even been on the roster yet.

It's also not unique for most of a college football roster to be skewed younger. The largest class is usually freshman (both redshirt and true). As players matriculate through the program, a lot of guys will fall off. That is not unique to Furman.

That leaves 58 players that were actually on Furman's roster last year. You might be surprised to know that, by my count, 43% of those players, give or take, have already registered playing time. A few of them (Jones, Hinton, Chappell, etc.) have registered a lot of playing time and were already starters.

Your last sentence is the problem. A few have played a lot but most have not.

I'm not sure your point. This is pretty much how football works at high school and college levels.