Nonsense. It’s the rest of the teams that have made FCS a joke. At least NDSU and JMU bring excellence to the field. It’s up to the rest of the field to step up. I hate mediocre football.DungeonRealm wrote: ↑Sat Jan 11, 2020 3:11 pmNDSU has made FCS football a joke btw, nbodoy cares about a division where a team wins 8 of 9 titles, just a bad look for FCS all around when one team completely dominates for a decade
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Not so sure. CU gets the top recruits every year now with that new resort they call a football complex LOL. #1 recruting, great coach motivator, facilities not to mention the hoseshoe up their butt. If they don't win it every year they will certainly be in the mix every year. Go Tigers(LSU that is).DungeonRealm wrote: ↑Sun Jan 12, 2020 3:38 pmapaladin wrote: ↑Sun Jan 12, 2020 2:54 pmIs it really much worse than what Clempson is doing in FBS. They are on the verge of winning their 3rd NC in the last 4 years. No end in sight. They pretty much have a bye to the playoffs every year. Besides Clempson it’s pretty much the same participants every year: CU, Alabama, OSU, Oklahoma with an odd ball once in a while.DungeonRealm wrote: ↑Sat Jan 11, 2020 3:11 pmNDSU has made FCS football a joke btw, nbodoy cares about a division where a team wins 8 of 9 titles, just a bad look for FCS all around when one team completely dominates for a decade
Clemson still has not beaten LSU
Let me know when Clemson comes anything close to winning 8 of 9 titles, pretty certain that won't happen
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Clemson wishes they were NDSU ...
NDSU 8 of 9 national titles from 2011 to 2020 (JMU got one)
FBS titles since 2011-
Clemson
Bama
Clemson
Bama
OSU
FSU
Bama
Bama
NDSU 8 of 9 national titles from 2011 to 2020 (JMU got one)
FBS titles since 2011-
Clemson
Bama
Clemson
Bama
OSU
FSU
Bama
Bama
Roundball wrote: ↑Sun Jan 12, 2020 5:15 pmNonsense. It’s the rest of the teams that have made FCS a joke. At least NDSU and JMU bring excellence to the field. It’s up to the rest of the field to step up. I hate mediocre football.DungeonRealm wrote: ↑Sat Jan 11, 2020 3:11 pmNDSU has made FCS football a joke btw, nbodoy cares about a division where a team wins 8 of 9 titles, just a bad look for FCS all around when one team completely dominates for a decade
That's not my point, my point is that you basically have a Top 25 FBS team in NDSU that is financially (geographically) trapped in the FCS division, it has not been good for the rest of FCS football overall for them to dominate the division over the past decade
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And it's a damned good point as well. It is ridiculous for them to play in FCS.
If you want to be the man. You have to beat the man.
"Now remember, when things look bad and it looks like you're not gonna make it, then you gotta get mean. I mean plumb, mad-dog mean.
'Cause if you lose your head and you give up then you neither live nor win. That's just the way it is.”
Josey Wales
'Cause if you lose your head and you give up then you neither live nor win. That's just the way it is.”
Josey Wales
Nothing NDSU is doing is something Furman can't do.
Maybe academic restrictions aren't as stringent, but you can't convince me its easier to recruit a kid to Fargo (where it was below zero temps on Saturday) to play football in a civic center than it is to come to Furman.
NDSU has set the bar. We just have to decide we want to reach it.
Maybe academic restrictions aren't as stringent, but you can't convince me its easier to recruit a kid to Fargo (where it was below zero temps on Saturday) to play football in a civic center than it is to come to Furman.
NDSU has set the bar. We just have to decide we want to reach it.
Not saying they are there yet but they are certainly on their way. If they win Monday night that will be 3 of last 4 and will be favored again next year and the foreseeable future.
Clemson's got the best of both worlds. They are good enough to play with anyone in the country and their conference is weak enough where they really are never challenged.
There's optimism and then there's crazy. There is zero evidence that NDSU's success (8 NATIONAL TITLES IN 9 YEARS) can be duplicated by anyone else in FCS. App State and Georgia Southern came the closest and then they both left. But you would have to combine their all-time FCS efforts to get something that looks like NDSU. Remarkable to think about.The Jackal wrote: ↑Sun Jan 12, 2020 8:44 pmNothing NDSU is doing is something Furman can't do.
Maybe academic restrictions aren't as stringent, but you can't convince me its easier to recruit a kid to Fargo (where it was below zero temps on Saturday) to play football in a civic center than it is to come to Furman.
NDSU has set the bar. We just have to decide we want to reach it.
I think it's pretty disingenuous to suggest that other programs just haven't "decided" to compete with NDSU without acknowledging other issues at play, namely the significant differences in recruiting. Let's take a look at 2018 recruiting according to 247 sports.
Here's Georgia (0 Furman, 2 FCS signees in the top 125): https://247sports.com/Season/2018-Footb ... l&State=GA
Here's South Carolina (0 Furman, 2 FCS signees in the top 87): https://247sports.com/Season/2018-Footb ... l&State=ND
And now here's Minnesota (6 NDSU signees out of 40): https://247sports.com/Season/2018-Footb ... l&State=MN
And look who comes in at No. 7 ... Mr. Trey Lance, Walter Payton Award winner as a freshman, himself.
So here's what I'm saying ... even though there is significantly more HS talent in Furman's neck of the woods, there is an insane amount of competition for it. Meanwhile, NDSU plucks up a lot of solid to strong talent in freezing cold states like the Dakotas, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois, etc. with very little competition. I just don't see that changing in the foreseeable future. They'll be the favorites again next year. Lance has 3 more years and has thrown 0 interceptions.
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I've got a feeling CCH has an idea at what it will take for Furman to play at a higher level he's said as much.
From The Furman Sports Report, "We're really excited about that group," Furman coach Clay Hendrix said. "After three years, we finally feel like we're where we need to be (at the offensive line position)." and in another part of Scott's post ""We've got some solid players (at wide receiver), but that's a position we've got to get better at through recruiting. We need to get a little more dynamic there," Hendrix said. "We just couldn't get one we thought we had in the early signing period, but we've got some good candidates."
Rome wasn't built in a day nor was the Bison. The good news is CCH has raised the bar on recruiting every year. Some play down recruiting, obviously, CCH sees it as critical to his goals for the Paladin program.
One last note concerning the safeties… again from the FSR… "It will be nice to have those guys in here competing early. Richards may be a guy we can move around, maybe to the spur," Hendrix said. "With Austin Jones, who would've played this year if he had not gotten hurt, and Hugh Ryan back there, we feel good about these last two classes of safeties."
re: http://www.furmansportsreport.com/2019/ ... 3-new.html
From The Furman Sports Report, "We're really excited about that group," Furman coach Clay Hendrix said. "After three years, we finally feel like we're where we need to be (at the offensive line position)." and in another part of Scott's post ""We've got some solid players (at wide receiver), but that's a position we've got to get better at through recruiting. We need to get a little more dynamic there," Hendrix said. "We just couldn't get one we thought we had in the early signing period, but we've got some good candidates."
Rome wasn't built in a day nor was the Bison. The good news is CCH has raised the bar on recruiting every year. Some play down recruiting, obviously, CCH sees it as critical to his goals for the Paladin program.
One last note concerning the safeties… again from the FSR… "It will be nice to have those guys in here competing early. Richards may be a guy we can move around, maybe to the spur," Hendrix said. "With Austin Jones, who would've played this year if he had not gotten hurt, and Hugh Ryan back there, we feel good about these last two classes of safeties."
re: http://www.furmansportsreport.com/2019/ ... 3-new.html
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In 42 years of FCS football, there still have only been 3 private schools to win FCS national championships - Furman, Richmond and Villanova. Heck, a private school has finished as runner-up only 4 times by my count (Furman x2, Lehigh and Colgate). So if I did math correctly, 7 of the 84 championship game participants are private schools (Furman x3, Richmond, Villanova, Lehigh and Colgate). It's obviously possible, but the deck is so very much stacked against Furman (and other schools) in a billion different ways from recruiting in the Southeast, to academics, to enrollment size, to cost of attendance. There's obviously great things too from quality of education to a beautiful campus in a beautiful city/region of the country, but let's not act like we (or other schools) are one break away from becoming the next NDSU.
Having said that, I truly believe CCH has us on the right track to competing nationally. I'm excited to see the improvement in 2020. The conference and a few home playoff games are up for the taking.
Having said that, I truly believe CCH has us on the right track to competing nationally. I'm excited to see the improvement in 2020. The conference and a few home playoff games are up for the taking.
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James Madison is a public university.
I agree with the above points about NDSU's geographical advantage. Were Furman in a more rural area, devoid of National champion-caliber programs and countless other D-I schools, maybe recruiting gets easier... on the other hand, maybe even fewer hard working, intelligent, goal-driven students apply because we're in the middle of nowhere.
I look at schools like Elon, Richmond, Samford, and Wofford, who have had success in the the past 20 years and are working with much the same advantages/disadvantages as us. I suspect coaching and fully funded programs are the keys to success. That, and landing 1-2 big recruits that carry your program for a few years e.g. Devlin Hodges, Scott Riddle, Eric Breitenstein- and then riding that momentum enough to land a few more in subsequent years.
As for the coaching and funding pieces, I feel like we're in good shape. Hopefully some of these heralded recruits exceed our expectations.
I agree with the above points about NDSU's geographical advantage. Were Furman in a more rural area, devoid of National champion-caliber programs and countless other D-I schools, maybe recruiting gets easier... on the other hand, maybe even fewer hard working, intelligent, goal-driven students apply because we're in the middle of nowhere.
I look at schools like Elon, Richmond, Samford, and Wofford, who have had success in the the past 20 years and are working with much the same advantages/disadvantages as us. I suspect coaching and fully funded programs are the keys to success. That, and landing 1-2 big recruits that carry your program for a few years e.g. Devlin Hodges, Scott Riddle, Eric Breitenstein- and then riding that momentum enough to land a few more in subsequent years.
As for the coaching and funding pieces, I feel like we're in good shape. Hopefully some of these heralded recruits exceed our expectations.
Thank you! I confused myself and didn't research fully. I'm going to update my previous post.