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Mike Gundy
PostPosted:Mon Jun 15, 2020 7:06 pm
by Roundball
Yes, he has the right to speak, but so do his players. I bet he is gone by the end of the week.
https://www.si.com/college/2020/06/15/m ... ba-hubbard
Re: Mike Gundy
PostPosted:Mon Jun 15, 2020 7:26 pm
by fufanatic
Can't imagine he could get fired for wearing a t-shirt ... that sounds like a lawsuit waiting to happen. But you don't want to piss off your best player and Heisman contender and then have many of his teammates back him up ... whose to say some of them don't follow in the RB's footsteps. Will be curious to see the fan reaction. I'm sure a good many heavily lean conservative. But they also love college football more than anything and want to see OSU beat OU. Not having your best player won't make them happy either. Tough spot for the university.
Re: Mike Gundy
PostPosted:Mon Jun 15, 2020 7:42 pm
by Roundball
What goes around comes around. Mike Gundy once fired a contractor working on his house because he saw him wearing an Oklahoma Sooners shirt.
Re: Mike Gundy
PostPosted:Mon Jun 15, 2020 8:43 pm
by Furmanoid
I guess all coaches are on the hot seat now. I’m not sure how much longer they’ll be allowed to do authoritarian stuff like picking lineups and calling plays. A player central committee will probably need to take over to assure ideological purity.
Re: Mike Gundy
PostPosted:Tue Jun 16, 2020 12:48 am
by youwouldno
Freedom of speech is basically meaningless if you can't hold a job unless you hold particular political opinions. The Constitution just doesn't work once society no longer accepts its core tenets, regardless of whether there is protection against government action (since non-governmental actions can utterly ruin citizens for exercising their rights).
Re: Mike Gundy
PostPosted:Tue Jun 16, 2020 8:08 am
by Furmanoid
In the case of coaches it’s not necessarily about speech. It can be about playing time, touches, attendance, wind sprints or anything. All they have to do is piss off one kid and wham. Powerless coaches work OK in the NBA, but it will be interesting to watch the competing “superstars” of college football teams run the show themselves. Might be kind of a mess.
Re: Mike Gundy
PostPosted:Tue Jun 16, 2020 9:00 am
by FU3
youwouldno wrote: ↑Tue Jun 16, 2020 12:48 am
Freedom of speech is basically meaningless if you can't hold a job unless you hold particular political opinions. The Constitution just doesn't work once society no longer accepts its core tenets, regardless of whether there is protection against government action (since non-governmental actions can utterly ruin citizens for exercising their rights).
Employers have been taking “ non governmental actions” in regards to statements made by their employees since long before anyone on this board was born.Using the employment at will doctrine they have legally fired employees for almost anything. Now that a multi millionaire coach is on the hot seat the future of free speech is in question?
Re: Mike Gundy
PostPosted:Tue Jun 16, 2020 9:47 am
by Furmanoid
FU3 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 16, 2020 9:00 am
youwouldno wrote: ↑Tue Jun 16, 2020 12:48 am
Freedom of speech is basically meaningless if you can't hold a job unless you hold particular political opinions. The Constitution just doesn't work once society no longer accepts its core tenets, regardless of whether there is protection against government action (since non-governmental actions can utterly ruin citizens for exercising their rights).
Employers have been taking “ non governmental actions” in regards to statements made by their employees since long before anyone on this board was born.Using the employment at will doctrine they have legally fired employees for almost anything. Now that a multi millionaire coach is on the hot seat the future of free speech is in question?
Actually 3 are in trouble at the moment: Gundy, Ferentz and Leach (the most absurd case of all).
Re: Mike Gundy
PostPosted:Tue Jun 16, 2020 10:16 am
by Roundball
Looks like they have already come together.
Re: Mike Gundy
PostPosted:Tue Jun 16, 2020 10:27 am
by youwouldno
FU3 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 16, 2020 9:00 am
youwouldno wrote: ↑Tue Jun 16, 2020 12:48 am
Freedom of speech is basically meaningless if you can't hold a job unless you hold particular political opinions. The Constitution just doesn't work once society no longer accepts its core tenets, regardless of whether there is protection against government action (since non-governmental actions can utterly ruin citizens for exercising their rights).
Employers have been taking “ non governmental actions” in regards to statements made by their employees since long before anyone on this board was born.Using the employment at will doctrine they have legally fired employees for almost anything. Now that a multi millionaire coach is on the hot seat the future of free speech is in question?
Never before has there been such a widespread litmus test to maintain employment with major organizations. Part of the change has to do with technology - the twitter attacks to get people fired are a relatively new phenomenon and don't really have an analog equivalent.
But there has also been a huge erosion in tolerance for other viewpoints. You'd have to be blind not to see that. Hey, maybe you want to shut people up you don't agree with, so you think it's a good thing - either way, it's reality, and unprecedented in US history.
Re: Mike Gundy
PostPosted:Tue Jun 16, 2020 12:56 pm
by HB88
Roundball wrote: ↑Tue Jun 16, 2020 10:16 am
Looks like they have already come together.
So much for social distancing
Re: Mike Gundy
PostPosted:Tue Jun 16, 2020 1:15 pm
by FU3
No ,don’t want to shut anyone up just wanted to point out the silliness of your argument. Your assertions that somehow people getting fired or sanctioned for saying things that upset their employers ,customers or public writ large is somehow a new thing is demonstrably incorrect.Your allegation that this is somehow a free speech issue is without merit because there is no Government involvement. Because you have the vapors about Mr. Gundy does not mean that the First Amendment is under assault.In fact the reactions and demands you decry are people exercising the same rights you say are being obliterated.
Re: Mike Gundy
PostPosted:Tue Jun 16, 2020 2:14 pm
by Furmanoid
Isn’t Oklahoma State, the employer, a government institution accepting both state and federal funding? Doesn’t that make it a free speech thing?
You say this happens all the time. Can you think of an example nearly as silly as the charges against Leach or Gundy?
Re: Mike Gundy
PostPosted:Tue Jun 16, 2020 2:51 pm
by youwouldno
FU3 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 16, 2020 1:15 pm
No ,don’t want to shut anyone up just wanted to point out the silliness of your argument. Your assertions that somehow people getting fired or sanctioned for saying things that upset their employers ,customers or public writ large is somehow a new thing is demonstrably incorrect.Your allegation that this is somehow a free speech issue is without merit because there is no Government involvement. Because you have the vapors about Mr. Gundy does not mean that the First Amendment is under assault.In fact the reactions and demands you decry are people exercising the same rights you say are being obliterated.
I think you need a refresher on the word "demonstrably." You haven't demonstrated a single example, putting aside your inability to read (I repeatedly distinguished between enumerated rights and societal norms).
Re: Mike Gundy
PostPosted:Tue Jun 16, 2020 3:06 pm
by FU3
Furmanoid wrote: ↑Tue Jun 16, 2020 2:14 pm
Isn’t Oklahoma State, the employer, a government institution accepting both state and federal funding? Doesn’t that make it a free speech thing?
You say this happens all the time. Can you think of an example nearly as silly as the charges against Leach or Gundy?
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There is absolutely no First Amendment issue pertaining to Leach or Gundy... the Federal Government has done nothing in either case to prevent them from saying anything . If you want to examine what may be a real free speech issue try the assertion by the President that all of his conversations are “highly classified “ and the private NDA he has folks sign will enable him to stop the production of a book he doesn’t like by Ambassador Bolton.