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[FUpaladin08]

FUBeAR just doesn’t ‘get’ the point of putting 12-15 young men on a basketball court, that may (or may not) be part-time Furman students, wearing purple & white with “FURMAN” proudly emblazoned across their chests, if we almost certainly know almost none of them intend to become Furman graduates.

Can we make them sign a contract? You would think since we’re leaving amateurism and entering the business world a college can make a player sign a contract agreeing to the scholarship terms. If they transfer early they need to buyout the remaining years of the contract.

Otherwise there’s no guarantee you can keep a player. We can stay out of the pricey NIL deals and just make Furman an attractive place for a player to come. A place where a freshman that got passed up by a portal transfer can start day 1. A place where a student athlete can thrive and be prepared for a career. A place where CBR can mold a boy into a man. There is still a need for these things regardless of everything we are seeing today. Watching these 12+ seeds with future doctors and lawyers beat future NBA draft picks during March Madness is still a thing. I don’t know, I still have hope. We are very early in portal+NIL+extra covid years. I believe this will all settle down in time.

[Bootie]

FUBeAR just doesn’t ‘get’ the point of putting 12-15 young men on a basketball court, that may (or may not) be part-time Furman students, wearing purple & white with “FURMAN” proudly emblazoned across their chests, if we almost certainly know almost none of them intend to become Furman graduates.

Can we make them sign a contract? You would think since we’re leaving amateurism and entering the business world a college can make a player sign a contract agreeing to the scholarship terms. If they transfer early they need to buyout the remaining years of the contract.

Otherwise there’s no guarantee you can keep a player. We can stay out of the pricey NIL deals and just make Furman an attractive place for a player to come. A place where a freshman that got passed up by a portal transfer can start day 1. A place where a student athlete can thrive and be prepared for a career. A place where CBR can mold a boy into a man. There is still a need for these things regardless of everything we are seeing today. Watching these 12+ seeds with future doctors and lawyers beat future NBA draft picks during March Madness is still a thing. I don’t know, I still have hope. We are very early in portal+NIL+extra covid years. I believe this will all settle down in time.

It will sure be interesting to see how it does all settle down over the next number of years.

I don’t think making somebody sign a contract is gonna get you any players. I don’t think any player these days would be willing to make such a commitment. The players have all the leverage now.

[tim]

Yeah the inmates run the asylum now, no coach is needed, just a meat handler.

[Sad Din]

Great summary... Its a Socon issue not just Dins. If a kid graduates and gives 4 years SD has no issues at all. The underclass is the one that hurts. Sitill, it means they are doing well and are looking for more competetion

[apaladin]

Great summary... Its a Socon issue not just Dins. If a kid graduates and gives 4 years SD has no issues at all. The underclass is the one that hurts. Sitill, it means they are doing well and are looking for more competetion

SD just change one word and you will be correct. Change competition to compensation.

[PacoTisdale]

FUBeAR just doesn’t ‘get’ the point of putting 12-15 young men on a basketball court, that may (or may not) be part-time Furman students, wearing purple & white with “FURMAN” proudly emblazoned across their chests, if we almost certainly know almost none of them intend to become Furman graduates. Add in that we had to outbid Grand Canyon State to get them to become (casual labor) Paladins for 1 or 2 years and then we had to try, but failed, to outbid Murray State to keep them from leaving.

Seems to FUBeAR, at that point, we’re really just cheering for (and paying for…some of us) our desired color of laundry to score more baskets than another set of differently colored laundry.

If that’s good enough for you, FUBeAR says ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ and you enjoy being you.

FUBeAR is gonna decide if he invests his freed-up time in bird-watching or spelunking. FUBeAR just ain’t that into laundry.

I think that this is a shortsighted and not nuanced approach to the situation. Furman is supposed to be a place to set people up for success In life right? That’s what the whole “furman advantage” is about. It’s typically about getting your degree but the whole point of the degree is to set you up to get good jobs or to get into quality graduates schools plus the connections furman prides itself on helping you make. Point is that furman is intended to set people up for success in life and I think they do that and for 99% of students that looks like a degree. For certain players through the INCREDIBLE development they go through as part of the basketball program they can get amazing opportunities to be a part of other extremely good basketball programs that can(in theory at least) give them more opportunities at a pro career and to make money playing basketball after college and now with NIL make more money playing basketball right now. Looks totally different than your average student getting a business degree but it’s still setting them up for success. Things like shaming people for leaving or wanting to make people sign contracts to stay at furman a certain amount of time is the antithesis of what furman is all about. It sucks when players leave and it hurts but I think of it like JP gave us so many amazing moments and as a school we grew him into the player and man that is going to get an opportunity at a high major school that he never would’ve had without furman. Just because he’s not getting a degree from furman doesn’t mean his time at furman was not mutually beneficial and what the school is all about.

[FUBeAR]

FUBeAR just doesn’t ‘get’ the point of putting 12-15 young men on a basketball court, that may (or may not) be part-time Furman students, wearing purple & white with “FURMAN” proudly emblazoned across their chests, if we almost certainly know almost none of them intend to become Furman graduates. Add in that we had to outbid Grand Canyon State to get them to become (casual labor) Paladins for 1 or 2 years and then we had to try, but failed, to outbid Murray State to keep them from leaving.

Seems to FUBeAR, at that point, we’re really just cheering for (and paying for…some of us) our desired color of laundry to score more baskets than another set of differently colored laundry.

If that’s good enough for you, FUBeAR says ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ and you enjoy being you.

FUBeAR is gonna decide if he invests his freed-up time in bird-watching or spelunking. FUBeAR just ain’t that into laundry.

I think that this is a shortsighted and not nuanced approach to the situation.

Furman is supposed to be a place to set people up for success In life right? That’s what the whole “furman advantage” is about. It’s typically about getting your degree but the whole point of the degree is to set you up to get good jobs or to get into quality graduates schools plus the connections furman prides itself on helping you make. Point is that furman is intended to set people up for success in life and I think they do that and for 99% of students that looks like a degree.

For certain players through the INCREDIBLE development they go through as part of the basketball program they can get amazing opportunities to be a part of other extremely good basketball programs that can(in theory at least) give them more opportunities at a pro career and to make money playing basketball after college and now with NIL make more money playing basketball right now. Looks totally different than your average student getting a business degree but it’s still setting them up for success.

Things like shaming people for leaving or wanting to make people sign contracts to stay at furman a certain amount of time is the antithesis of what furman is all about.

It sucks when players leave and it hurts but I think of it like JP gave us so many amazing moments and as a school we grew him into the player and man that is going to get an opportunity at a high major school that he never would’ve had without furman.

Just because he’s not getting a degree from furman doesn’t mean his time at furman was not mutually beneficial and what the school is all about.

Interesting take.

A few notes…

“shortsighted and not nuanced” - maybe, maybe not - that’s an opinion to which you are entitled. You know, however, that just because you are saying it, that doesn’t make it a fact, right? And, this post of FUBeAR’s is all about “feelings.” This is FUBeAR expressing his “feelings” which aren’t wrong. They can’t be wrong because he FEELS them. That post is not about facts or opinions. All feels.

“Things like shaming people for leaving” - FUBeAR thinks you will be hard-pressed to cite an instance of FUBeAR shaming a person or even specifically identifiable groups of people “for leaving.” So, while that comment does attempt to score emotional points for your position, it is, FUBeAR believes, a mischaracterization that is out of line to include when you are quoting a FUBeAR post.

“…wanting to make people sign contracts to stay at furman a certain amount of time is the antithesis of what furman is all about.” - FUBeAR hasn’t said that here either, BTW. The poster who did say it did not flesh it out fully, but it’s not a position that hasn’t been discussed and already occurs within the realm of Collegiate Athletics and Furman University. In fact, Dartmouth Basketball Players (with the blessing (and encouragement, IFBO) of the current DoL) just voted to certify a Union to represent them and that Union will (assuming Dartmouth doesn’t drop their extremely unprofitable Men’s Basketball Team) be negotiating the Players’ CONTRACT with Dartmouth College. Also, Elizabeth Davis, Jason Donnelly, and Bob Richey all have contracts with Furman University. An NCAA LOI and Scholarship renewal documents are forms of contracts. While scholarships are currently 1 year renewable, that could change. Though not 100% certain, FUBeAR would speculate that every FU student (or their family) signs some type of contract with FU Housing. Also, you should realize all contracts can be broken and/or bought out. There is no servitude or slavery associated with being offered and accepting a contract. That ‘contracts’ piece of your comment is just naive. Sorry.

Now - on to your central point - which FUBeAR believes is something like…

“We all gain mutual benefit from the Players’ relationships with Furman, regardless of how long those relationships last or how they culminate academically. As long as we believe the individuals leave Furman as better Men & Women (in some way) and/or with real or perceived better short- and/or long-term opportunities in life (in some way), then we (fans and/or alums) should be pleased and fulfilled by the good work our school is doing for these few individuals and the good feelings those individuals gave us while they were associated with and ostensibly representing Furman.”

Welp…there’s certainly merit to that line of thinking. Reminds FUBeAR a little bit of the “Free Love” days he just missed out on in the late 60’s…dangit!

But…the 60’s (and “Free Love”) ended because “Free Love” was not a sustainable lifestyle. FUBeAR doesn’t think “Free Love” is going to be sustainable for college athletics either. The FAMILY has to grow and be replenished by young / younger people growing up within the family to sustain, survive, and flourish.

Need to close…could go on and on ad infinitum about the FFPA, and Frank Selvy, and what if David Thompson had played at 3 different schools….etc., etc…but won’t.

FUBeAR appreciates your viewpoint. It makes sense for this Insta (all about the “experience” and ME showing the world MY experience and the world ‘liking’ MY experience) era, but FUBeaR just ain’t FEELIN’ IT.

[Sad Din]

There are around 4000 D1 scholarship players.

Currently 25% of them are in the transfer portal.

wow. And theres still more than a month to go before it closes

[palafan]

[Sad Din]

wow. there will be some very good CofC players in the portal soon

problem is... who takes CofC job?

Kelsey salary:
The five-year contract outlines an annual guaranteed compensation package of $1.1 million, with a base state salary of $600,000 and an annual supplement of $500,000 from private dollars. The contract also includes incentives for reaching 20-win seasons and a variety of standard performance bonuses for conference championships, coach-of-the-year accolades and NCAA Tournament appearances.

[furpep]

Don't keep up with this info that much. What Furman players have put their names in the Transfer Portal? Thanks for the updates.

[MidlandsPaladin]

Don't keep up with this info that much. What Furman players have put their names in the Transfer Portal? Thanks for the updates.

A good place to go to track not only Furman but everyone else:
https://www.verbalcommits.com/schools/furman

[jesse174]

Don't keep up with this info that much. What Furman players have put their names in the Transfer Portal? Thanks for the updates.

Carter Whitt, Marcus Foster, Alex Williams, J.P. Pegues..

[Roundball]

wow. there will be some very good CofC players in the portal soon

problem is... who takes CofC job?

Kelsey salary:
The five-year contract outlines an annual guaranteed compensation package of $1.1 million, with a base state salary of $600,000 and an annual supplement of $500,000 from private dollars. The contract also includes incentives for reaching 20-win seasons and a variety of standard performance bonuses for conference championships, coach-of-the-year accolades and NCAA Tournament appearances.

There is no doubt Charleston will come after Coach Bob Richey, again.

[Furmanoid]

wow. there will be some very good CofC players in the portal soon

problem is... who takes CofC job?

Kelsey salary:
The five-year contract outlines an annual guaranteed compensation package of $1.1 million, with a base state salary of $600,000 and an annual supplement of $500,000 from private dollars. The contract also includes incentives for reaching 20-win seasons and a variety of standard performance bonuses for conference championships, coach-of-the-year accolades and NCAA Tournament appearances.

There is no doubt Charleston will come after Coach Bob Richey, again.

If they steal him, I’d grab Augusta’s coach. He has a few years left in tank and absolutely knows how to start from scratch every other year. It’s a different skill.